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Duncan Grant

(8,935 posts)
22. For another, more inclusive, point of view:
Sun Oct 22, 2023, 03:45 PM
Oct 2023
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/nov/29/im-credited-with-having-coined-the-acronym-terf-heres-how-it-happened

I'm credited with having coined the word 'Terf'. Here's how it happened
— Viv Smythe


…Intersectional feminism, including trans-inclusion, is receiving unsurprising pushback from those who wish to keep the boundaries they’ve fought for as women’s spaces clear. I can understand this stance, but cannot agree that it justifies exclusion, and stand by what I wrote in 2008 when declaring my blog would not share links to any trans-excluding feminist event:

...I am aware that this decision is likely to affront some trans-exclusionary radical feminists (TERFs), but it must be said: marginalising trans women at actual risk from regularly documented abuse /violence in favour of protecting hypothetical cis women from purely hypothetical abuse/violence from trans women in women-only safe-spaces strikes me as horribly unethical as well as repellently callous.



DG: Here’s DU’s stance: “For your information, our definition of transphobia includes, but is not limited to: Misgendering, deadnaming, or otherwise refusing to recognize a trans person's gender identity; Arguing that trans people are not "real" men or women; Arguing that trans people should not have the same rights as cis people -- for example, the right to use public restrooms or play sports that match their gender identity; Arguing that there is any scientific basis for discriminating against trans people.”

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"Two wrongs don't make a right" is a playground platitude. Pretty irrelevant and irresponsible marybourg Oct 2023 #1
It's also a basic truth. One of those that hold civilization to a standard. jaxexpat Oct 2023 #29
What's the right response then? NotVeryImportant Oct 2023 #36
Taking out the terrorists. marybourg Oct 2023 #42
If the summary is to be believed, criticizing the infliction of death and suffering RockRaven Oct 2023 #2
Zero interest in any artist getting up on a soapbox to tell me anything. Arthur_Frain Oct 2023 #26
if u bought a ticket to chapelle and didnt expect a soap box, that's on u. mopinko Oct 2023 #32
Didn't. Arthur_Frain Oct 2023 #34
Some comedians believe in offending everyone. usonian Oct 2023 #3
Dave Chappelle. Where can I cash in my points? jaxexpat Oct 2023 #30
I don't know if he said that, but it's likely usonian Oct 2023 #35
Meanwhile, thanks for all the fish. jaxexpat Oct 2023 #43
Dave Chappelle is a bit of a moron - so you have to start out with that stopdiggin Oct 2023 #4
I respect Chappelle. H2O Man Oct 2023 #5
thank you CatWoman Oct 2023 #7
Sure thing! H2O Man Oct 2023 #20
You respect a TERF? vercetti2021 Oct 2023 #8
he is very trans phobic BlueWaveNeverEnd Oct 2023 #9
I don't like the term TERF elias7 Oct 2023 #12
Understand this vercetti2021 Oct 2023 #13
No, the term is not "shit they labeled themselves as". nt redqueen Oct 2023 #18
. WhiskeyGrinder Oct 2023 #19
For another, more inclusive, point of view: Duncan Grant Oct 2023 #22
I respect him for that. I like him, too. leftyladyfrommo Oct 2023 #11
Its one thing to poke fun at people vercetti2021 Oct 2023 #14
Right. H2O Man Oct 2023 #25
For your edification: Duncan Grant Oct 2023 #23
You have misused H2O Man Oct 2023 #24
I've just learned so much about you. Duncan Grant Oct 2023 #27
You are welcome! H2O Man Oct 2023 #38
The pleasure was all mine! Duncan Grant Oct 2023 #40
I respectfully disagree. H2O Man Oct 2023 #41
agree. mopinko Oct 2023 #33
Thanks. H2O Man Oct 2023 #39
Chappelle says he is Muslim. Frasier Balzov Oct 2023 #6
He can be Muslim and his perspective be objectively NOT from a Muslim one uponit7771 Oct 2023 #10
How is his perspective not Muslim ? It's similar to most Muslims . JI7 Oct 2023 #15
I'm a Chappelle fan AkFemDem Oct 2023 #28
I recuse myself DFW Oct 2023 #16
What was said in the summary makes sense to me. flying rabbit Oct 2023 #17
I still laugh when Chapelle brought elon musk up on stage in SF and everyone booed him! kimbutgar Oct 2023 #21
Same! Initech Oct 2023 #31
Criticism is deserved on all those sides. NotVeryImportant Oct 2023 #37
too many snowflakes in the World Snooper9 Oct 2023 #44
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