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ColinC

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10. Stop killing children and committing war crimes

Reply to Happy Hoosier (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 23, 2023, 08:14 AM

Oct 2023

Why is it suddenly so difficult to fight an enemy within the bounds of international law and human rights?

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Kristof: We Must Not Kill Gazan Children to Try to Protect Israel's Children [View all] BeyondGeography Oct 2023 OP

Half of DU: "ya we should" ColinC Oct 2023 #1

And if Israel stops all military action today....what happens next? brooklynite Oct 2023 #5

Is that the only option available? ColinC Oct 2023 #6

What are the alternatives? Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #8

Stop killing children and committing war crimes ColinC Oct 2023 #10

SUDDENLY!? Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #13

It certainly is what they want ColinC Oct 2023 #15

But again.... WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE? Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #17

Well certainly mudering people into oblivion with no end in sight ColinC Oct 2023 #19

So if the two State solution was implemented immediately, Hamas would disarm? Take up farming? brooklynite Oct 2023 #20

Who said anything about a two state solution ColinC Oct 2023 #21

There was never an agreement with Hamas, and if there was one, Hamas broke it. brooklynite Oct 2023 #29

Really? Simply honoring the agreements already made? A lot of details missing. And thinking it is easy. LiberalFighter Oct 2023 #37

It's certainly easier to bomb people into oblivion with no end in sight ColinC Oct 2023 #60

Is it your opinion that no military action can occur if there's potential for civilian casualties? brooklynite Oct 2023 #108

Difference is to end WWII compared to avoiding WWIII. PufPuf23 Oct 2023 #112

Arafat did treestar Oct 2023 #70

Here radicalleft Oct 2023 #104

Sure. And yet, you have NOTHING. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #32

I think there's a good chance they WILL continue as a political power Chautauquas Oct 2023 #73

Having no doubt of Hamas' intentions, it is on us not to succumb to the Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #27

This is an honest question keroro gunsou Oct 2023 #129

The Arab nations nominally supportive of Israel is a recent phenomenon. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #133

This is not 1945 womanofthehills Oct 2023 #28

Put the blame where it belongs. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #33

Well - if you click on the Twitter link womanofthehills Oct 2023 #109

they aren't the bad guy treestar Oct 2023 #68

Killing civilians is not a violation of international law; TARGET civilians is. brooklynite Oct 2023 #31

Where is the proof that Israel isn't following the rules? DetroitLegalBeagle Oct 2023 #55

Straw man paleotn Oct 2023 #63

How do you destroy Hamas? ColinC Oct 2023 #65

The first step towards destroying Hamas is to take action against Hamas. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #74

Hamas would cease to exist as soon as it has no reason to ColinC Oct 2023 #76

Ant this is the core of the pronlem, isn't it? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #78

I think your description hits the core on both sides ColinC Oct 2023 #84

I don't understand. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #86

Hamas was only elected when the prospect for peace appeared unatainable ColinC Oct 2023 #87

Ok, got it. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #105

"West Bank incursions... give Hamas further reason to exist and empower its growth." Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #127

All they need is a hug. paleotn Oct 2023 #99

Maybe they just need a hug paleotn Oct 2023 #100

Nah I think bombing children and making the rest orphans hellbent at revenge is the best way about it ColinC Oct 2023 #103

Israel isn't killing children on purpose. Hamas has that covered. paleotn Oct 2023 #111

You really believe that? Who told you this? Netanyahu? ColinC Oct 2023 #115

Kinetics, my dear. The liberal use of kinetics. paleotn Oct 2023 #113

Easy inthewind21 Oct 2023 #122

Perhaps if we engage Hamas for 30 years, it will work! ColinC Oct 2023 #134

The only side committing war crimes SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #101

Suddenly??? Zeitghost Oct 2023 #119

Hamas certainly has done war crimes. They need to be held accountable for once. jimfields33 Oct 2023 #130

Really simple.. Bibi just call in US B-52's and carpet bomb Gaza (like Viet Nam) LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #62

hamas is an ideology... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #106

talks somewhere treestar Oct 2023 #67

And if Israel continues military action womanofthehills Oct 2023 #107

Nonsense. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #7

Not sure why "stop killing children" is wildly impractical ColinC Oct 2023 #9

My guess is you've never been involed in an urban war... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #14

When will it be enough? ColinC Oct 2023 #18

Dude... read a book! Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #22

Israel broke the Oslo accords. And then expanded on the west bank ColinC Oct 2023 #23

Sigh.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #30

Where will Hamas go exactly? ColinC Oct 2023 #64

There are some here who claim the West Bank settlements are not illegal, and even more ludicrously, that not a single Palestinian has ever been displaced by modern (1948 and on) Israel. Celerity Oct 2023 #35

You don't think it is wildly impractical? LiberalFighter Oct 2023 #40

Brown children. It's always been okay with way too many people. onecaliberal Oct 2023 #102

We're talking Israel but there are two wars going on. jimfields33 Oct 2023 #132

But we absolutely must kill Hamas terrorists to try to protect Gazan children. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #2

About those children MyMission Oct 2023 #57

Moral clarity? malaise Oct 2023 #3

First, I would not take the Gazans word for anything, given the recent lies about the hospital elias7 Oct 2023 #4

Plenty refuse to make any distinction between Hamas and innocent people/children IronLionZion Oct 2023 #11

I think it's strange that folks are holding their moral standards to that of Hamas ColinC Oct 2023 #12

They have plenty of choices IronLionZion Oct 2023 #16

What are the choices when hamas hides among civilians? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #38

Innocent civilians are stuck between Hamas, IDF, a fortified border wall, and the sea IronLionZion Oct 2023 #46

There are no options available for the Gazans as long as hamas is in Gaza. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #71

Are you kidding? EndlessWire Oct 2023 #75

Hamas was elected due to the 2006 incursion into the west bank ColinC Oct 2023 #77

So, this justifies butchering EndlessWire Oct 2023 #81

Your entire comment is MY argument ColinC Oct 2023 #82

Don't call me a liar. EndlessWire Oct 2023 #85

This is confusing. ColinC Oct 2023 #88

This Is A Lot Simpler Than You Try And Make It, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2023 #95

There is little justification for atrocities by party A ColinC Oct 2023 #96

Atrocity Is Atrocity, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2023 #97

You realize I am the only one saying nobody should kill anybody, right? ColinC Oct 2023 #98

"Nobody should kill anybody" followed by calling out Israel and not Hamas. Do you perhaps see the problem? brooklynite Oct 2023 #116

Israel has killed at least 3 times more people than Hamas ColinC Oct 2023 #117

You have no idea how many civilians Vs Hamas fighters have died EX500rider Oct 2023 #120

Same with you ColinC Oct 2023 #124

I haven't seen the IDF issue any figures EX500rider Oct 2023 #125

Funny inthewind21 Oct 2023 #128

Huh inthewind21 Oct 2023 #123

Who's "We"? 617Blue Oct 2023 #25

Just the vast majority of their weapons which we do not have to provide ColinC Oct 2023 #26

Like the missiles for the Iron Dome defense? yagotme Oct 2023 #39

Like the mortar shells that rip apart cchildren's flesh ColinC Oct 2023 #48

Well, then we need to tell Hamas to stop firing missiles, so Israel won't have to drop bombs. yagotme Oct 2023 #50

IDF would have a hard time without US support IronLionZion Oct 2023 #47

So ... Lurker Deluxe Oct 2023 #34

The comparison is with Russian cities not Russian tanks BeyondGeography Oct 2023 #36

Hamas is using civilians to shield their militants. yagotme Oct 2023 #41

When you look at Gaza and all you see is Hamas and human shields for Hamas BeyondGeography Oct 2023 #42

Can you justify what Hamas has done? nt yagotme Oct 2023 #44

No...can you justify this? BeyondGeography Oct 2023 #49

Sure. yagotme Oct 2023 #51

What a sad response BeyondGeography Oct 2023 #58

This particular piece of property has been fought over for the last 5,000+ years. yagotme Oct 2023 #59

History is littered with the bones of innocents...leaders choosing war and violence over peace cayugafalls Oct 2023 #43

There are some very naive people posting here Mossfern Oct 2023 #45

This is utter bullshit and most certainly not what Democrats represent which Joe Biden is one. GuppyGal Oct 2023 #52

We must not kidnap Israeli children in order to further our terrorist agenda. GuppyGal Oct 2023 #53

It is the crossroads of vengeance and justice. jaxexpat Oct 2023 #54

Which overreaction are you referring to? yagotme Oct 2023 #89

There is no justification because there is no justice being sought. jaxexpat Oct 2023 #118

Are you saying that the response of Israel due to being attacked,cannot be justified, because of ancient history? yagotme Oct 2023 #121

No, you said that. jaxexpat Oct 2023 #135

Well, that's the vibe I get from what you said. yagotme Oct 2023 #136

Our news is slanted. Keep that in mind. twodogsbarking Oct 2023 #56

DURec leftstreet Oct 2023 #61

That quote of Jimmy Carter treestar Oct 2023 #66

And in 2007 Hamas was elected ColinC Oct 2023 #69

Yes. Then more clamping down treestar Oct 2023 #72

People without hope Bettie Oct 2023 #79

And that quote of Golda Meir Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #80

Kristof's column is a longer version of the dilemma faced by moral people. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #83

Hard to "live" with someone next door, yagotme Oct 2023 #90

A lot of the folks calling for a cease-fire basically seem to say that, though. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #91

Yeah, they want a cease fire, on Israel's part. yagotme Oct 2023 #92

All the responses are what not to do. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #93

I agree. yagotme Oct 2023 #94

Observation: nobody writes that the Hamas Government should surrender its terrorists and release its hostages brooklynite Oct 2023 #110

There is no such thing as a humane war. Straw Man Oct 2023 #114

My heart weeps for the children, the elderly, and the pets John Shaft Oct 2023 #126

I think "we" means people of the US... Mike Nelson Oct 2023 #131