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BeyondGeography

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58. What a sad response

Mon Oct 23, 2023, 10:21 AM

Oct 2023

This war has been going on for 17 years. Nothing is happening now that hasn’t happened many times over since Operation Cast Lead in 2009. The difference is awareness has increased exponentially and, if you look at reactions around the world, not to the benefit of Israel or the United States for that matter.

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Kristof: We Must Not Kill Gazan Children to Try to Protect Israel's Children [View all] BeyondGeography Oct 2023 OP

Half of DU: "ya we should" ColinC Oct 2023 #1

And if Israel stops all military action today....what happens next? brooklynite Oct 2023 #5

Is that the only option available? ColinC Oct 2023 #6

What are the alternatives? Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #8

Stop killing children and committing war crimes ColinC Oct 2023 #10

SUDDENLY!? Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #13

It certainly is what they want ColinC Oct 2023 #15

But again.... WHAT IS THE ALTERNATIVE? Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #17

Well certainly mudering people into oblivion with no end in sight ColinC Oct 2023 #19

So if the two State solution was implemented immediately, Hamas would disarm? Take up farming? brooklynite Oct 2023 #20

Who said anything about a two state solution ColinC Oct 2023 #21

There was never an agreement with Hamas, and if there was one, Hamas broke it. brooklynite Oct 2023 #29

Really? Simply honoring the agreements already made? A lot of details missing. And thinking it is easy. LiberalFighter Oct 2023 #37

It's certainly easier to bomb people into oblivion with no end in sight ColinC Oct 2023 #60

Is it your opinion that no military action can occur if there's potential for civilian casualties? brooklynite Oct 2023 #108

Difference is to end WWII compared to avoiding WWIII. PufPuf23 Oct 2023 #112

Arafat did treestar Oct 2023 #70

Here radicalleft Oct 2023 #104

Sure. And yet, you have NOTHING. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #32

I think there's a good chance they WILL continue as a political power Chautauquas Oct 2023 #73

Having no doubt of Hamas' intentions, it is on us not to succumb to the Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #27

This is an honest question keroro gunsou Oct 2023 #129

The Arab nations nominally supportive of Israel is a recent phenomenon. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #133

This is not 1945 womanofthehills Oct 2023 #28

Put the blame where it belongs. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #33

Well - if you click on the Twitter link womanofthehills Oct 2023 #109

they aren't the bad guy treestar Oct 2023 #68

Killing civilians is not a violation of international law; TARGET civilians is. brooklynite Oct 2023 #31

Where is the proof that Israel isn't following the rules? DetroitLegalBeagle Oct 2023 #55

Straw man paleotn Oct 2023 #63

How do you destroy Hamas? ColinC Oct 2023 #65

The first step towards destroying Hamas is to take action against Hamas. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #74

Hamas would cease to exist as soon as it has no reason to ColinC Oct 2023 #76

Ant this is the core of the pronlem, isn't it? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #78

I think your description hits the core on both sides ColinC Oct 2023 #84

I don't understand. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #86

Hamas was only elected when the prospect for peace appeared unatainable ColinC Oct 2023 #87

Ok, got it. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #105

"West Bank incursions... give Hamas further reason to exist and empower its growth." Jedi Guy Oct 2023 #127

All they need is a hug. paleotn Oct 2023 #99

Maybe they just need a hug paleotn Oct 2023 #100

Nah I think bombing children and making the rest orphans hellbent at revenge is the best way about it ColinC Oct 2023 #103

Israel isn't killing children on purpose. Hamas has that covered. paleotn Oct 2023 #111

You really believe that? Who told you this? Netanyahu? ColinC Oct 2023 #115

Kinetics, my dear. The liberal use of kinetics. paleotn Oct 2023 #113

Easy inthewind21 Oct 2023 #122

Perhaps if we engage Hamas for 30 years, it will work! ColinC Oct 2023 #134

The only side committing war crimes SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #101

Suddenly??? Zeitghost Oct 2023 #119

Hamas certainly has done war crimes. They need to be held accountable for once. jimfields33 Oct 2023 #130

Really simple.. Bibi just call in US B-52's and carpet bomb Gaza (like Viet Nam) LiberalArkie Oct 2023 #62

hamas is an ideology... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #106

talks somewhere treestar Oct 2023 #67

And if Israel continues military action womanofthehills Oct 2023 #107

Nonsense. Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #7

Not sure why "stop killing children" is wildly impractical ColinC Oct 2023 #9

My guess is you've never been involed in an urban war... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #14

When will it be enough? ColinC Oct 2023 #18

Dude... read a book! Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #22

Israel broke the Oslo accords. And then expanded on the west bank ColinC Oct 2023 #23

Sigh.... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #30

Where will Hamas go exactly? ColinC Oct 2023 #64

There are some here who claim the West Bank settlements are not illegal, and even more ludicrously, that not a single Palestinian has ever been displaced by modern (1948 and on) Israel. Celerity Oct 2023 #35

You don't think it is wildly impractical? LiberalFighter Oct 2023 #40

Brown children. It's always been okay with way too many people. onecaliberal Oct 2023 #102

We're talking Israel but there are two wars going on. jimfields33 Oct 2023 #132

But we absolutely must kill Hamas terrorists to try to protect Gazan children. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #2

About those children MyMission Oct 2023 #57

Moral clarity? malaise Oct 2023 #3

First, I would not take the Gazans word for anything, given the recent lies about the hospital elias7 Oct 2023 #4

Plenty refuse to make any distinction between Hamas and innocent people/children IronLionZion Oct 2023 #11

I think it's strange that folks are holding their moral standards to that of Hamas ColinC Oct 2023 #12

They have plenty of choices IronLionZion Oct 2023 #16

What are the choices when hamas hides among civilians? Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #38

Innocent civilians are stuck between Hamas, IDF, a fortified border wall, and the sea IronLionZion Oct 2023 #46

There are no options available for the Gazans as long as hamas is in Gaza. Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #71

Are you kidding? EndlessWire Oct 2023 #75

Hamas was elected due to the 2006 incursion into the west bank ColinC Oct 2023 #77

So, this justifies butchering EndlessWire Oct 2023 #81

Your entire comment is MY argument ColinC Oct 2023 #82

Don't call me a liar. EndlessWire Oct 2023 #85

This is confusing. ColinC Oct 2023 #88

This Is A Lot Simpler Than You Try And Make It, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2023 #95

There is little justification for atrocities by party A ColinC Oct 2023 #96

Atrocity Is Atrocity, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2023 #97

You realize I am the only one saying nobody should kill anybody, right? ColinC Oct 2023 #98

"Nobody should kill anybody" followed by calling out Israel and not Hamas. Do you perhaps see the problem? brooklynite Oct 2023 #116

Israel has killed at least 3 times more people than Hamas ColinC Oct 2023 #117

You have no idea how many civilians Vs Hamas fighters have died EX500rider Oct 2023 #120

Same with you ColinC Oct 2023 #124

I haven't seen the IDF issue any figures EX500rider Oct 2023 #125

Funny inthewind21 Oct 2023 #128

Huh inthewind21 Oct 2023 #123

Who's "We"? 617Blue Oct 2023 #25

Just the vast majority of their weapons which we do not have to provide ColinC Oct 2023 #26

Like the missiles for the Iron Dome defense? yagotme Oct 2023 #39

Like the mortar shells that rip apart cchildren's flesh ColinC Oct 2023 #48

Well, then we need to tell Hamas to stop firing missiles, so Israel won't have to drop bombs. yagotme Oct 2023 #50

IDF would have a hard time without US support IronLionZion Oct 2023 #47

So ... Lurker Deluxe Oct 2023 #34

The comparison is with Russian cities not Russian tanks BeyondGeography Oct 2023 #36

Hamas is using civilians to shield their militants. yagotme Oct 2023 #41

When you look at Gaza and all you see is Hamas and human shields for Hamas BeyondGeography Oct 2023 #42

Can you justify what Hamas has done? nt yagotme Oct 2023 #44

No...can you justify this? BeyondGeography Oct 2023 #49

Sure. yagotme Oct 2023 #51

What a sad response BeyondGeography Oct 2023 #58

This particular piece of property has been fought over for the last 5,000+ years. yagotme Oct 2023 #59

History is littered with the bones of innocents...leaders choosing war and violence over peace cayugafalls Oct 2023 #43

There are some very naive people posting here Mossfern Oct 2023 #45

This is utter bullshit and most certainly not what Democrats represent which Joe Biden is one. GuppyGal Oct 2023 #52

We must not kidnap Israeli children in order to further our terrorist agenda. GuppyGal Oct 2023 #53

It is the crossroads of vengeance and justice. jaxexpat Oct 2023 #54

Which overreaction are you referring to? yagotme Oct 2023 #89

There is no justification because there is no justice being sought. jaxexpat Oct 2023 #118

Are you saying that the response of Israel due to being attacked,cannot be justified, because of ancient history? yagotme Oct 2023 #121

No, you said that. jaxexpat Oct 2023 #135

Well, that's the vibe I get from what you said. yagotme Oct 2023 #136

Our news is slanted. Keep that in mind. twodogsbarking Oct 2023 #56

DURec leftstreet Oct 2023 #61

That quote of Jimmy Carter treestar Oct 2023 #66

And in 2007 Hamas was elected ColinC Oct 2023 #69

Yes. Then more clamping down treestar Oct 2023 #72

People without hope Bettie Oct 2023 #79

And that quote of Golda Meir Beastly Boy Oct 2023 #80

Kristof's column is a longer version of the dilemma faced by moral people. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #83

Hard to "live" with someone next door, yagotme Oct 2023 #90

A lot of the folks calling for a cease-fire basically seem to say that, though. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #91

Yeah, they want a cease fire, on Israel's part. yagotme Oct 2023 #92

All the responses are what not to do. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #93

I agree. yagotme Oct 2023 #94

Observation: nobody writes that the Hamas Government should surrender its terrorists and release its hostages brooklynite Oct 2023 #110

There is no such thing as a humane war. Straw Man Oct 2023 #114

My heart weeps for the children, the elderly, and the pets John Shaft Oct 2023 #126

I think "we" means people of the US... Mike Nelson Oct 2023 #131