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lapucelle

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61. There's lots of nonsense coming out of reddit and twitter. There's a transcript of the NPR report.
Thu Oct 26, 2023, 06:51 PM
Oct 2023

People should read it.

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Here's some information about Earshot.

Earshot is the worlds’ first not-for-profit organisation producing audio investigations for human rights and environmental advocacy.

Using cutting-edge audio forensic analysis techniques, we add a crucial but often overlooked dimension to open-source investigations. While image and spatial analysis have become widespread over the last few years, until now half of the story has remained untold on the soundtrack.

At Earshot, we draw on more than a decade of experience of audio analysis, bringing justice to crimes that lie beyond the cameras' frame.


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The NPR reporter:

So let's start with the Hamas claim of an airstrike. Pretty much everyone agrees - all the experts I've spoken to so far - that the visual evidence doesn't support a standard airstrike. There's no big crater. There's not a lot of shrapnel or structural damage to the hospital, and there's no pieces of shrapnel found at the site. That would be pretty unusual.

But, you know, the Israeli claim that it was a failed rocket - there's a problem there, too.

Israel says rockets came from the West, and independent video supports that. But the video closest to the blast - you can hear the sound of something whizzing by. That's called a Doppler shift. It's that rise and fall and pitch of something passing you like a car that goes vroom. An NGO called Earshot analyzed that sound.


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Here's what Earshot's spokesman actually told NPR:

We're saying that [the sound analysis] reduces the probability that this is coming from the West. It's rocket science, after all, so we can't completely rule it out.

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/23/1208061552/what-new-analysis-shows-about-the-gaza-hospital-explosion

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Here's what CNN's report says about the same video:

A leading US acoustic expert, who did not have permission to speak publicly from their university, analyzed the sound waveform from the video and concluded that, while there were changes in the sound frequency, indicating that the object was in motion, there was no directional information that could be gleaned from it.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/10/21/middleeast/cnn-investigates-forensic-analysis-gaza-hospital-blast/index.html

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So to recap, there is no Doppler effect evidence that "proves" anything.

One spokesman for a private audio analysis company said the sound "reduces the probability" that the rocket came from the West.

A leading acoustics expert worked on CNN's investigation and concluded that "no directional evidence can be gleaned from from the recording".

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And from this, reddit sleuths who fancy themselves to be acoustics experts are making misinformed, ridiculous claims.



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Likely Because T_A Oct 2023 #1
No Cha Oct 2023 #2
He Addressed That T_A Oct 2023 #3
Israel Didn't bomb that Hospital.. Hamas' Cha Oct 2023 #7
Once AGAIN T_A Oct 2023 #83
The scientist from Earshot didn't "address that", so basically it is your theory. lapucelle Oct 2023 #78
Pretty much............. Lovie777 Oct 2023 #5
That talking point is making the rounds, Cha lapucelle Oct 2023 #52
Mahalo for the link, lapucelle.. Cha Oct 2023 #59
dupe, sorry eShirl Oct 2023 #23
There's a transcript. No scientist came forward on NPR and said that "there were problems with both scenarios". lapucelle Oct 2023 #76
Mahalo, lapucelle.. I'm not Cha Oct 2023 #84
Found It! T_A Oct 2023 #4
I looked up Earshot. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #10
So, they're lying? maxsolomon Oct 2023 #51
Here's what Earshot actually told NPR. lapucelle Oct 2023 #62
There's lots of nonsense coming out of reddit and twitter. There's a transcript of the NPR report. lapucelle Oct 2023 #61
Here ya go! This is what the expert from Earshot said according to the transcript you posted. lapucelle Oct 2023 #77
CNN has reported that it is likely that the explosion at the hospital totodeinhere Oct 2023 #6
He does point out CNN's updated coverage and that forensic analysis. sl8 Oct 2023 #9
They all fucked over a chance fir Biden's trip to make some headway. boston bean Oct 2023 #8
How depressing, just so they could promote the lies of terrorists. Maru Kitteh Oct 2023 #18
At this point anyone claiming that Israel is behind the hospital explosion... BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #11
Or being paid by Hamas or a big fan EX500rider Oct 2023 #14
So T_A Oct 2023 #12
Yeah, no EX500rider Oct 2023 #13
YES T_A Oct 2023 #20
Except every intelligence agency says they came from the Northeast EX500rider Oct 2023 #30
I'm Afraid You're Confused T_A Oct 2023 #31
They all agree it was launched from within Gaza EX500rider Oct 2023 #33
BUT T_A Oct 2023 #35
Mostly because I don't think there is any EX500rider Oct 2023 #40
That Is Not Required T_A Oct 2023 #42
Nonsense with a mono recording you can't tell the direction EX500rider Oct 2023 #44
Eh T_A Oct 2023 #45
You do to get a heading from the noise EX500rider Oct 2023 #46
You Continue To Be Very Confused T_A Oct 2023 #49
You mean the sound recording from the videos that all showed it coming from Gaza EX500rider Oct 2023 #47
Both Sides Were In Gaza T_A Oct 2023 #50
Again Doppler effect will not give you directions EX500rider Oct 2023 #53
Of Course T_A Oct 2023 #54
The only groups firing rockets from within Gaza are terrorist groups, Hamas, IJ, etc EX500rider Oct 2023 #57
Once Again T_A Oct 2023 #64
You keep saying there's an independent video of this, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #74
You're Confused AGAIN T_A Oct 2023 #82
Gotta watch that 'ol Doppler shift. BannonsLiver Oct 2023 #48
It's a reddit talking point. lapucelle Oct 2023 #63
The video evidence is compelling enough on its own EX500rider Oct 2023 #41
Yes T_A Oct 2023 #43
I think you should consider the evident biases in the sources you cite. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #16
Where Is The Bias In The Doppler Shift? T_A Oct 2023 #21
He linked to this website to back up his claims. lapucelle Oct 2023 #71
It didn't come from the east, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #17
I don't get it either. BlueCheeseAgain Oct 2023 #19
Sorry T_A Oct 2023 #22
No, it didn't. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #25
I'm Not Presenting My Opinion T_A Oct 2023 #27
Oh, BTW, MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #26
Except T_A Oct 2023 #28
Ok, whatever you say. MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #29
I've already fucking looked into the doppler shift and the fact that the shit missile was tumbling throws it off. SoFlaBro Oct 2023 #55
No T_A Oct 2023 #56
Tumbling is relevant due to the direction of the acoustics of the rocket nozzle. SoFlaBro Oct 2023 #66
Nope T_A Oct 2023 #67
Better to apologize very late for being STUPIDLY wrong and taking the word of TERRORISTS first Maru Kitteh Oct 2023 #15
What We KNOW + Remaining Questions T_A Oct 2023 #24
I do not think you are looking at the most recent BootinUp Oct 2023 #32
They T_A Oct 2023 #36
Except T_A Oct 2023 #79
What "independent video"? N/T lapucelle Oct 2023 #58
Where did you read about the independent video documenting purported claims that lapucelle Oct 2023 #70
If Israel meant to hit that hospital...then they would of HIT IT. End of fucking story. GuppyGal Oct 2023 #34
It Was Hit T_A Oct 2023 #37
OK if you say so !! GuppyGal Oct 2023 #38
No T_A Oct 2023 #39
The science doesn't say that. Do you have a link? N/T lapucelle Oct 2023 #60
Of Course It Says That T_A Oct 2023 #65
The science doesn't "prove" that the rocket came from the east, and no scientist is saying that the audio is "proof". lapucelle Oct 2023 #68
Sez You T_A Oct 2023 #69
Is that the best you can do? MarineCombatEngineer Oct 2023 #73
No Agenda T_A Oct 2023 #80
Honey, It's Not Just Your Opinion The Magistrate Oct 2023 #87
Sorry T_A Oct 2023 #88
No Need To Apologize The Magistrate Oct 2023 #89
No Apology T_A Oct 2023 #90
A gazillion more what? Coloring pages? lapucelle Oct 2023 #72
Not T_A Oct 2023 #81
That's the website you linked to. lapucelle Oct 2023 #85
Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #86
The acoustic scientist who spoke to NPR disagrees with your theory lapucelle Oct 2023 #91
And, Yet Tlaib's Tweet Blaming Israel is Still UP and her latest tweet is a rude brush off to Manu Raju.. Cha Oct 2023 #75
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