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60. Did you misbehave as a child?
Sun Oct 29, 2023, 07:39 PM
Oct 2023

Did your parents threaten to feed you to the patianos?

That’s just an old trope. My wife has never actually eaten anybody.

I’m trying to understand why you fear my wife’s culture so much.

Las almas de los violines negros : http://repositorio.unicauca.edu.co:8080/bitstream/handle/123456789/2222/TESIS%20PALOMA%20MU%C3%91OZ%20FINAL.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

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Es cierto que los procesos de colonización y evangelización marcaron la pauta dualista entre el bien y el mal, y este diablo es el acusador, el que controla, es el maligno; el Valle del Patía ha sido conocido históricamente como un territorio portador del mal. El Patía lugar escabroso, de negros, de abigeato, bajeza asociada al ejercicio de la fuerza, de la esgrima, del crimen y el trabajo forzoso en la minería. Recuerdo de niña que, en Popayán, ciertos adultos le decían a los niños cuando eran necios, traviesos, desobedientes y callejeros sin permiso de los padres, frases como: Si te portas mal, te come o te mata un negro del Patía. Epítetos como “negros”, “salvajes”, “infieles”, “sin alma” a lo largo de la colonia y hasta mediados del siglo XX, eran el mal para todo aquel que no estaba dentro de la norma establecida por la conducta moral del Estado-nación. Unos ‘irracionales’ -eran considerados los afros- en una racionalidad colonial, por su particular concepción y comportamiento distintos; posteriormente fueron declarados “apátridas” por no ser partícipes de las contiendas en la campaña libertadora comandada por Simón Bolívar, quien participa en una lucha libertadora en la que quienes comandaban eran los que habían sido sus amos antes de fugarse al haber sido esclavos.

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It is true that the processes of colonization and evangelization set the dualistic pattern between good and evil, and this devil is the accuser, the one who controls, the evil one; the Patía Valley has historically been known as a territory bearing evil. Patía, a rugged place, associated with black people, cattle theft, lowliness linked to the exercise of force, fencing, crime, and forced labor in mining. I remember as a child in Popayán, certain adults would tell children phrases like: "If you behave badly, a black person from Patía will eat you or kill you." Epithets such as "blacks," "savages," "infidels," "soulless" throughout the colonial period and until the mid-20th century, represented evil for anyone who did not conform to the established moral conduct of the nation-state. The Afro-descendants were considered "irrational" in a colonial rationality due to their distinctive conception and behavior; later, they were declared "stateless" for not participating in the liberation campaign led by Simón Bolívar, who fought for freedom alongside those who had been their masters before they escaped from slavery.


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"Identity" is the root of all problems sanatanadharma Oct 2023 #1
Yes! Agree with "identifying as human" RSherman Oct 2023 #2
Just because somebody comes from a different culture... stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #6
My wife comes from a Catholic culture going back 500 years. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #4
"Catholic culture" has been a very destructive force on earth Skittles Oct 2023 #12
How does my wife's identity and culture hurt you? stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #13
It doesn't. Until (or if) she decides that her culture needs to be used as a framework to 3Hotdogs Oct 2023 #14
Well, to be fair, ... stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #18
Smirconish listener? Or just like the song? 3Hotdogs Oct 2023 #19
We don't have cable. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #20
He's also on XM satellite. 3Hotdogs Oct 2023 #21
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Oct 2023 #58
Catholics are a major force in the movement that took away my bodily autonomy. Scrivener7 Oct 2023 #28
How does my wife's culture and identity harm you in any way? stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #30
I don't know your wife, so I will speak of my own experience. When I was sitting in those Scrivener7 Oct 2023 #35
This wasn't that long ago. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #47
I notice you like to post a lot of non-sequiturs. Your post has nothing Scrivener7 Oct 2023 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #50
Pretend you didn't mention LGBTQ rights if you want. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #51
I have no idea what you are trying to say here. Scrivener7 Oct 2023 #54
I'm saying that... stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #55
I am finding the progression of your posts incomprehensible, and am not interested enought to continue. Bye! Scrivener7 Oct 2023 #56
that culture DOES affect lives Skittles Oct 2023 #59
Did you misbehave as a child? stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #60
Yes they are. The South is where America has gotten it's current religiousity from ms liberty Oct 2023 #16
A little further to the south. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #22
Identity is a problem when the 'identity' needs to be defended sanatanadharma Oct 2023 #34
Identity becomes a problem when it is attacked. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #48
Yes, it is a two-sided coin. sanatanadharma Oct 2023 #57
Bothsiderism... stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #62
For real? edisdead Oct 2023 #37
Yes, for real. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #43
Your wife's identity edisdead Oct 2023 #63
Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #64
What is white supremecist hate? edisdead Oct 2023 #65
If you are accusing me of white supremacy edisdead Oct 2023 #66
I believe that our Founders were very wise to provide freedom of religion and freedom from religion. Lonestarblue Oct 2023 #3
Our so-called "founders" owned slaves. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #25
yes they did! edisdead Oct 2023 #38
They killed more white folks than you or I can imagine. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #46
Re: Money 303squadron Oct 2023 #5
Kids that grew up with the traditional Pledge helped win two world wars is one thing I always point brewens Oct 2023 #7
the phrase "under God" was not added until 1954 Celerity Oct 2023 #15
Edited edisdead Oct 2023 #40
Yup. n/t brewens Oct 2023 #45
Children in public schools can pray any time they want jayschool2013 Oct 2023 #8
We were founded as a Christian nation they say. Okay, and after something like 1800 years of brewens Oct 2023 #9
In Truth, prayer... SouthernLiberal Oct 2023 #10
Kids are also SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #11
A lot of children pray in school, ... stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #31
In School.... Maplewood, N.J. schools banned Halloween parties because some parents complained that 3Hotdogs Oct 2023 #17
They may as well ban Holy Week. stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #23
Growing up on Long Island, it was common phylny Oct 2023 #24
And then there is a chunk of the country that seems to think the (Republican) president is divinely selected ck4829 Oct 2023 #26
The world would hildegaard28 Oct 2023 #27
Completely agree! edisdead Oct 2023 #41
If you see cultural genocide as the answer, ... stuck in the middle Oct 2023 #52
imagine that! JoseBalow Oct 2023 #68
Some of the original colonies were established as religious. 3 Catholic, 5 Protestant, 5 Interdenominational. ancianita Oct 2023 #29
Can I get an amen? Siggy52 Oct 2023 #32
Sure, AMEN, now you happy? KS Toronado Oct 2023 #42
I was in elementary school when "under God" was added. kskiska Oct 2023 #33
Those were different times. The war had leftyladyfrommo Oct 2023 #36
Most people have no idea that it was the Catholics who led the movement to take prayer out of schools. Scrivener7 Oct 2023 #39
Religion. czarjak Oct 2023 #53
America is regressing to the 17th century Poiuyt Oct 2023 #44
It's not "too much religion". Its a pernicious form of Christianity that is the problem. milestogo Oct 2023 #61
Religion is a silly notion to make the small-minded feel better about death. SoFlaBro Oct 2023 #67
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