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In reply to the discussion: Massive misinformation campaign against Israel. [View all]muriel_volestrangler
(101,521 posts)110. Here?
SCHMITZ: And, Juana, this is Rob in Berlin. You know, if a train conductor said that here in Germany, he'd not only be fired, but he might be criminally prosecuted for hate speech. Here in Berlin, all pro-Palestinian rallies are banned. Schools have banned Palestinian flags, the Palestinian headdress, the keffiyeh, which is sort of a hipster accessory that a lot of teenagers wear because it's getting cold out here as scarves. But they can't wear them anymore. You know, and the reason that Germany is so strict about this is because of the German concept of (speaking German). And this literally means reason of state. And it means that because of the atrocities that Germany committed against Jews in World War II, the existence and security of Israel is connected to the foundation of modern Germany. And that's why Germany is taking these protests so seriously.
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SCHMITZ: Well, Chancellor Olaf Scholz has been very firm in his opinion that Israel has a right to defend itself. But that's the extent of his comments. He also supported the European Union's stance released last week in a communique that called for, quote, "humanitarian pauses" in the conflict so that people in Gaza could receive humanitarian assistance. The EU is one of the biggest funders of aid to the Palestinian territories, and Germany gives around $20 million a year. So this is a priority, too, for Germany. But Germany, also, like the U.S., sells weapons to Israel, weapons that are now being used against Palestinians.
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SCHMITZ: I think it's probably strengthening Germany's position in defending Israel. There are several European leaders that have spoken out against Israel's cutting off of water and supply lines to Gaza. But Chancellor Olaf Scholz has refrained from this criticism. Instead, he says that Israel is a democratic state guided by humanitarian principles. And because of that, he believes the Israeli army will also observe the rules that follow international laws. So, you know, this view sounds, to some, probably a little naive, and it's definitely a bit isolated when compared to the view of other EU leaders. And it's rooted really in Scholz's cautious approach to Israel that is really guided by what he sees as Germany's historic responsibility towards Israel.
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/30/1209529055/where-britain-france-and-germany-stand-on-the-israel-hamas-war
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SCHMITZ: Well, Chancellor Olaf Scholz has been very firm in his opinion that Israel has a right to defend itself. But that's the extent of his comments. He also supported the European Union's stance released last week in a communique that called for, quote, "humanitarian pauses" in the conflict so that people in Gaza could receive humanitarian assistance. The EU is one of the biggest funders of aid to the Palestinian territories, and Germany gives around $20 million a year. So this is a priority, too, for Germany. But Germany, also, like the U.S., sells weapons to Israel, weapons that are now being used against Palestinians.
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SCHMITZ: I think it's probably strengthening Germany's position in defending Israel. There are several European leaders that have spoken out against Israel's cutting off of water and supply lines to Gaza. But Chancellor Olaf Scholz has refrained from this criticism. Instead, he says that Israel is a democratic state guided by humanitarian principles. And because of that, he believes the Israeli army will also observe the rules that follow international laws. So, you know, this view sounds, to some, probably a little naive, and it's definitely a bit isolated when compared to the view of other EU leaders. And it's rooted really in Scholz's cautious approach to Israel that is really guided by what he sees as Germany's historic responsibility towards Israel.
https://www.npr.org/2023/10/30/1209529055/where-britain-france-and-germany-stand-on-the-israel-hamas-war
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yardwork
Nov 2023
#140
I remember in the early 80's at college the anti-jewish arab students were trying to convince all of us
SouthernDem4ever
Oct 2023
#114
I think we are entering a new era of disinformation. With social media and AI it
walkingman
Oct 2023
#11
Funny - agree but with AI I don't think we have seen anything like what is to come.
walkingman
Oct 2023
#25
I think they meant the entrance of AI (ChatGPT's Initial release date of November 30, 2022 being the first widespread
Celerity
Oct 2023
#57
Yes, thanks. This thread seems to assume anyone concerned about war crimes in Gaza are antisemitic
MadameButterfly
Oct 2023
#77
I accept your concern about antisemitic tropes but the reference to a conspiracy
MadameButterfly
Nov 2023
#148
There are lots of folks concerned about war crimes committed against the Gazans, in Gaza, by Hamas.
lapucelle
Nov 2023
#152
yes, agreed, Hamas are war criminals and both Palestinians and Israelis are victims
MadameButterfly
Nov 2023
#158
And they gain even more power when they trick Democrats into agreeing with them.
yardwork
Oct 2023
#55
Misrepresenting Isaraelis as all agreeging with Netanyau, or Palestinians as all agreeing with Hamas is like
MadameButterfly
Oct 2023
#80
I agree with much of what you are seeing--I am also not Jewish, also previously critical
Wingus Dingus
Oct 2023
#43
Right: Take out Hamas, but no bombs or missiles. Take out Hamas, but hey, no
Wingus Dingus
Oct 2023
#95
You made a claim. Surely you can back it up with a citation of the convention and the article.
lapucelle
Nov 2023
#156
What "list" were you talking about? There's only one list in that subthread.
lapucelle
Nov 2023
#171
Thanks. Yes, the coverage is intended not so much to inform but to inflame.
Wingus Dingus
Oct 2023
#123
Does anybody feel as I do: That Europe is getting off the hook in this conflict?
GreenWave
Oct 2023
#48
I detected that from the unprecedented anti-Israel opposition that I've been seeing.
live love laugh
Oct 2023
#105
Attacking Israel makes old time anti-Jewish attitudes more palitable because one can wrap the hatred in nice
AZLD4Candidate
Nov 2023
#131
What you said, yardwork. I wasn't expecting it's sheer virulence across campuses...
Hekate
Nov 2023
#165