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Straw Man

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85. Pogrom, yes.

Sat Nov 4, 2023, 02:12 AM

Nov 2023

Pogrom - an organized massacre of helpless people

I wouldn't categorize Israel as a land of helpless people.

An astounding display of moral contortions. So all the unarmed civilians slaughtered by Hamas weren't helpless? Please stop. Your rationalizations are pathetic.

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The US Government can stop this genocide [View all] malaise Nov 2023 OP

almost but not quite bottomofthehill Nov 2023 #1

pogrom you say radicalleft Nov 2023 #15

Pogrom? Marcus IM Nov 2023 #55

Pogrom, yes. Straw Man Nov 2023 #85

How does an infant defend itself from automatic rifle fire from Hamas terrorists? SoFlaBro Nov 2023 #86

The same way as a Palestinian infant from bombs and tank shelling. AloeVera Nov 2023 #113

Yes, there should be pressure on Hamas to stop its own massacre wnylib Nov 2023 #130

How does the West Bank protect themselves from armed settlers with American made guns? womanofthehills Nov 2023 #167

You didn't answer. It wasn't rhetorical. SoFlaBro Nov 2023 #168

The beheaded babies in the Oct 7 terrorist massacre were not helpless? wnylib Nov 2023 #128

Can't believe how many DU'ers NEVER address a direct question but start with MAGA-style whataboutisms. SoFlaBro Nov 2023 #169

Def of pogrom needs correction- An organized massacre of ethnic people Quakerfriend Nov 2023 #135

Hamas and Hezbollah's stated objective is the elimination of Israel. paleotn Nov 2023 #153

Unarmed youth having fun at a music festival... People in their homes... NutmegYankee Nov 2023 #159

Hamas can stop SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #2

You or Bernie Sanders? malaise Nov 2023 #3

Couldn't care less SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #5

You or Mrs. Clinton? ripcord Nov 2023 #21

Bernie Sanders or terrorist destruction of Israel?? wnylib Nov 2023 #131

And if it were really genocide... CincyDem Nov 2023 #4

Not necessarily so RainWalker Nov 2023 #16

Slow, gradual enid602 Nov 2023 #80

The population of Gaza has been increasing Progressive dog Nov 2023 #96

Birthrate enid602 Nov 2023 #97

Natural population growth, High birth rate. AloeVera Nov 2023 #111

Israel has been under terrorist attacks AND wars wnylib Nov 2023 #132

You don't get to decide the number of deaths that define genocide Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #19

There isn't forced relocation SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #23

Right. What he said. CincyDem Nov 2023 #29

Oh, aren't there Palestinians in the West Bank too? AloeVera Nov 2023 #58

And in the pre-1967 Israel. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #101

Well Hello again. AloeVera Nov 2023 #110

Thereference in the post I replied to wasn't quite clear. This explanation makes your intentions a bit clearer. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #121

Yes, a little knowledge can be dangerous but so is a closed mind. AloeVera Nov 2023 #122

I question your numbers, and once again Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #143

History is a pesky thing when it's not on your side. AloeVera Nov 2023 #149

I haven't the faintest idea why you would confuse warning to evacuate with a guarantee of safe passage Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #161

Good. We're done then. AloeVera Nov 2023 #162

OK Let's leave it at that. I will not admit to you having any evidence to your claims. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #164

lol inthewind21 Nov 2023 #172

Hamas has been JustAnotherGen Nov 2023 #154

Well said. wnylib Nov 2023 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author AloeVera Nov 2023 #105

Ok. So what's the criteria? CincyDem Nov 2023 #28

The Genocide Convention makes no mention of specific numbers Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #73

Israel is doing a lousy job killing its 2 million Palestinian citizens Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #99

Of course not Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #100

This contrasts intention to commit genocide Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #104

Just because Israel doesn't admit it, doesn't mean it's not happening. Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #107

It's not a matter of Israel admitting it or not. It's a matter of international law. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #108

Neither do you...or anyone else on DU. revmclaren Nov 2023 #32

It's not genocide and they won't PCIntern Nov 2023 #64

People have already said this but I also have to say that Jesus Fucking Christ numbers alone are not what WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 #34

I mean, numbers are kind of important. BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #37

Close to 10,000 is not a large number? That's a lot of people. So far. AloeVera Nov 2023 #115

Shooting the family next door is not a genocide. SoFlaBro Nov 2023 #87

Per Quinniac poll dated 11/2 enid602 Nov 2023 #54

Is this the Quinnipiac data you're talking about CincyDem Nov 2023 #62

Poll enid602 Nov 2023 #67

tres cool. no issues...I just wanted to look at the data and couldn't figure out what I was missing to get to 70. CincyDem Nov 2023 #70

No this is claudette Nov 2023 #126

It's a war strategy to disempower Hamas. wnylib Nov 2023 #134

Yes those claudette Nov 2023 #138

We do not have total control of Israel edisdead Nov 2023 #6

I'll just leave this here. CincyDem Nov 2023 #31

You can't find it because there's no proof she ever said that about "Arabs loving their children." WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 #35

False former9thward Nov 2023 #42

That quote is cited in the book as having been said in a speech she gave to the National Press Club in 1957. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 #48

So you are saying she did not say that quote? former9thward Nov 2023 #49

I'm saying there's no credible evidence she said it. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 #53

Except she said it in her own autobiography? When hardly matters EX500rider Nov 2023 #75

The "oral autobiography" it appears in is a collection of mostly cited and verifiable speeches and extemporaneous WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 #91

Well now ya made me go look the darn thing up CincyDem Nov 2023 #43

Also interesting that all the wiki references to this quote were disputed on 10/8/23. Hmmmmm. n/t CincyDem Nov 2023 #44

It is in her autobiography. former9thward Nov 2023 #50

Whether she said it or not doesn't really matter. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #83

Imagine admitting that you're forced to kill children as state policy and that it's simply too complicated to not do so. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 #92

My middle-east friend was looking over my shoulder.. chouchou Nov 2023 #68

I'll just leave THIS here. Interpretation of the full quote by playwright and actor Wallace Shawn. AloeVera Nov 2023 #72

Not sure what to do with this, but congratulations on tenancy...170 posts in 21 days is pretty impressive. CincyDem Nov 2023 #74

Thank you. I do what little I can and I'm retired. AloeVera Nov 2023 #78

Cheers... CincyDem Nov 2023 #81

Wow, thanks. AloeVera Nov 2023 #82

The Palestinian people had an opportunity for wnylib Nov 2023 #136

Golda Meir Hekate Nov 2023 #125

Okay, let's play what-if. yagotme Nov 2023 #7

Not to mention SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #95

Didn't factor that in, kept it on a conventional weapons line. yagotme Nov 2023 #109

I agree SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #114

Not to mention the effect on people in Gaza too. You know, being nuked would be a problem for them too. AloeVera Nov 2023 #117

Not lost, just not discussed, as this was a thought exercise on what Israel would do if backed into a corner. yagotme Nov 2023 #118

There is no chance Hamas could destroy Israel. AloeVera Nov 2023 #119

Yes, they have their own production, but they get aid, also. yagotme Nov 2023 #120

It doesn't much matter now. AloeVera Nov 2023 #123

Yes, quite inhumane. yagotme Nov 2023 #165

Tiresome and hollow AloeVera Nov 2023 #166

"This is on Israel." yagotme Nov 2023 #170

Nah. It's on Israel. AloeVera Nov 2023 #171

This war, and Oct 7th, are linked. yagotme Nov 2023 #174

What a naive view. Hamas has the backing of Iran, wnylib Nov 2023 #139

Since you raised this AloeVera Nov 2023 #142

Yes SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #144

You don't have to race to the bottom and create a bigger problem. AloeVera Nov 2023 #155

I was just commenting SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #156

Hamas lit the match. AloeVera Nov 2023 #157

Believe what you choose n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #158

Worse yet, imagine if Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran wnylib Nov 2023 #137

If you want people to listen to you... BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #8

Get this OP to the 'greatest antisemitism ' page Earl_from_PA Nov 2023 #9

How long has Hamas had that charter out? radicalleft Nov 2023 #17

So, we wait until Hamas has killed a lot more Jews, then it'll be OK? nt yagotme Nov 2023 #18

nope radicalleft Nov 2023 #20

They have it in their charter. Their leaders have stated it. yagotme Nov 2023 #22

I have no doubt that they want to kill Jews. radicalleft Nov 2023 #26

What's your definition of "unrestrained jihad"? nt yagotme Nov 2023 #30

Hamas has the backing of Iran, of other anti Isrsel terrorists, wnylib Nov 2023 #140

Or you mean the Arab Nations could try for the fifth or sixth time EX500rider Nov 2023 #145

Yeah, stated intentions otherwise, they haven't killed all the Jews. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #84

While I disagree with OP, I'm loath to go down the anti-Semitic road on this one. CincyDem Nov 2023 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Nov 2023 #41

Let me make this p...ly clear True Dough Nov 2023 #52

I know the habits of the OP Earl_from_PA Nov 2023 #59

Pellucidly True Dough Nov 2023 #60

Yes Earl_from_PA Nov 2023 #61

The Alan Parsons Project Earl_from_PA Nov 2023 #65

Spot on post! Polybius Nov 2023 #112

The US can and should end unconditional military aid and diplomatic support. David__77 Nov 2023 #10

Unconditional? BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #13

There should be clear and public strings attached. David__77 Nov 2023 #14

There's no genocide going on right now in Gaza. Elessar Zappa Nov 2023 #11

Exactly but it's Used against Israel Cha Nov 2023 #33

This is from: The United States Holocaust Museum sheshe2 Nov 2023 #57

That should be required reading. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #69

Yes, the term is being used against Israel. sheshe2 Nov 2023 #71

The government is not going to stop all the domestic violence because they are bought and paid for by madinmaryland Nov 2023 #12

It's arguably immoral to dilute the word "genocide" by using it willy nilly gulliver Nov 2023 #24

There's no genocide happening. This is a war Arazi Nov 2023 #25

I would ForgedCrank Nov 2023 #27

K&R. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 #36

What actual genocide looks like: EX500rider Nov 2023 #38

these are also from your link : Celerity Nov 2023 #45

Those fit the UN definition TwilightZone Nov 2023 #106

But inthewind21 Nov 2023 #173

I know the OP is highly respected around here with a much, much longer history than me. BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #40

+1 betsuni Nov 2023 #88

Hamas started this. Stuart G Nov 2023 #46

That would be political suicide, imo. Oneironaut Nov 2023 #47

DURec leftstreet Nov 2023 #51

That's the perfect recipe for putting Trump in office, then we won't have to worry about Maru Kitteh Nov 2023 #56

What's the recipe? MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #94

The danger Zeitghost Nov 2023 #129

Indeed, we've seen it happen before. Not too long ago in fact. Oopsie Daisy Nov 2023 #146

+1 betsuni Nov 2023 #151

Not even sure Israel needs either vapor2 Nov 2023 #63

Its not genocide edhopper Nov 2023 #66

How about no Calculating Nov 2023 #76

Well inthewind21 Nov 2023 #175

But the US does not supply weapons to Hamas (aid yes) so their attempted genocide will continue EX500rider Nov 2023 #77

No, we can't. There's a lot of things that the US government and US media likes RockRaven Nov 2023 #79

Not a genocide and no the U.S. can't control what happens. betsuni Nov 2023 #89

Not to mention the military aid is a two way street, cutting them off invites our being cut off Amishman Nov 2023 #90

You are correct. sheshe2 Nov 2023 #93

There is going to be a very large Middle East war, malaise. roamer65 Nov 2023 #98

Trump gave bonesaw all the secrets. They don't need us anymore. onecaliberal Nov 2023 #102

I hope you are wrong malaise Nov 2023 #141

I don't think I am. roamer65 Nov 2023 #163

Bibi has said sabbat hunter Nov 2023 #103

Can't stop something that hasn't started. egduj Nov 2023 #116

Exactly. sheshe2 Nov 2023 #124

I keep typing and deleting. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2023 #127

While we are arguing over terms like pogram and genocide, can somebody tell me when the killing and dying will stop? Chainfire Nov 2023 #147

Thoughtful response malaise Nov 2023 #148

More thoughtful than the OP. onenote Nov 2023 #176

My paternal granny would say malaise Nov 2023 #178

+1 leftstreet Nov 2023 #150

Hamas is all wrong. Hamas has said that they will never stop the killing. Hamas broke the ceasefire in place on 10/6/23. lapucelle Nov 2023 #160

Nope JustAnotherGen Nov 2023 #152

There is no genocide TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #177