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inthewind21

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175. Well

Mon Nov 6, 2023, 06:15 PM

Nov 2023

we waged a 20 year war, spent trillions, gave up rights left and right (think patriot act) developed black sites, flagrantly violated Geneva convention and committed war crimes left and right, tortured any and everyone we could get our hands on (there are STILL "prisoners" in GITMO as I type), killed civilians in the hundreds of thousands in Iraq and Afghanistan and defeated Al Queada, the Taliban and the "axis of evil" and put a stop to terrorism and much more!

Oh wait, we didn't defeat anything or anyone. What we did do is kill our own economy, flung the door wide open to contractors to get filthy rich while our soldiers died without the proper gear (and went to prison, think Abu Ghraib and the raping and killing of 14 year old girls in Iraq) and created thousands of new terrorist recruits for generations to come! Might want to reconsider tossing out the complete cluster fuck disaster that was the "response" to 9/11 as a defense. 45000? Where'd you pull that number from?

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The US Government can stop this genocide [View all] malaise Nov 2023 OP

almost but not quite bottomofthehill Nov 2023 #1

pogrom you say radicalleft Nov 2023 #15

Pogrom? Marcus IM Nov 2023 #55

Pogrom, yes. Straw Man Nov 2023 #85

How does an infant defend itself from automatic rifle fire from Hamas terrorists? SoFlaBro Nov 2023 #86

The same way as a Palestinian infant from bombs and tank shelling. AloeVera Nov 2023 #113

Yes, there should be pressure on Hamas to stop its own massacre wnylib Nov 2023 #130

How does the West Bank protect themselves from armed settlers with American made guns? womanofthehills Nov 2023 #167

You didn't answer. It wasn't rhetorical. SoFlaBro Nov 2023 #168

The beheaded babies in the Oct 7 terrorist massacre were not helpless? wnylib Nov 2023 #128

Can't believe how many DU'ers NEVER address a direct question but start with MAGA-style whataboutisms. SoFlaBro Nov 2023 #169

Def of pogrom needs correction- An organized massacre of ethnic people Quakerfriend Nov 2023 #135

Hamas and Hezbollah's stated objective is the elimination of Israel. paleotn Nov 2023 #153

Unarmed youth having fun at a music festival... People in their homes... NutmegYankee Nov 2023 #159

Hamas can stop SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #2

You or Bernie Sanders? malaise Nov 2023 #3

Couldn't care less SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #5

You or Mrs. Clinton? ripcord Nov 2023 #21

Bernie Sanders or terrorist destruction of Israel?? wnylib Nov 2023 #131

And if it were really genocide... CincyDem Nov 2023 #4

Not necessarily so RainWalker Nov 2023 #16

Slow, gradual enid602 Nov 2023 #80

The population of Gaza has been increasing Progressive dog Nov 2023 #96

Birthrate enid602 Nov 2023 #97

Natural population growth, High birth rate. AloeVera Nov 2023 #111

Israel has been under terrorist attacks AND wars wnylib Nov 2023 #132

You don't get to decide the number of deaths that define genocide Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #19

There isn't forced relocation SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #23

Right. What he said. CincyDem Nov 2023 #29

Oh, aren't there Palestinians in the West Bank too? AloeVera Nov 2023 #58

And in the pre-1967 Israel. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #101

Well Hello again. AloeVera Nov 2023 #110

Thereference in the post I replied to wasn't quite clear. This explanation makes your intentions a bit clearer. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #121

Yes, a little knowledge can be dangerous but so is a closed mind. AloeVera Nov 2023 #122

I question your numbers, and once again Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #143

History is a pesky thing when it's not on your side. AloeVera Nov 2023 #149

I haven't the faintest idea why you would confuse warning to evacuate with a guarantee of safe passage Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #161

Good. We're done then. AloeVera Nov 2023 #162

OK Let's leave it at that. I will not admit to you having any evidence to your claims. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #164

lol inthewind21 Nov 2023 #172

Hamas has been JustAnotherGen Nov 2023 #154

Well said. wnylib Nov 2023 #133

This message was self-deleted by its author AloeVera Nov 2023 #105

Ok. So what's the criteria? CincyDem Nov 2023 #28

The Genocide Convention makes no mention of specific numbers Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #73

Israel is doing a lousy job killing its 2 million Palestinian citizens Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #99

Of course not Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #100

This contrasts intention to commit genocide Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #104

Just because Israel doesn't admit it, doesn't mean it's not happening. Nt Fiendish Thingy Nov 2023 #107

It's not a matter of Israel admitting it or not. It's a matter of international law. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #108

Neither do you...or anyone else on DU. revmclaren Nov 2023 #32

It's not genocide and they won't PCIntern Nov 2023 #64

People have already said this but I also have to say that Jesus Fucking Christ numbers alone are not what WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 #34

I mean, numbers are kind of important. BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #37

Close to 10,000 is not a large number? That's a lot of people. So far. AloeVera Nov 2023 #115

Shooting the family next door is not a genocide. SoFlaBro Nov 2023 #87

Per Quinniac poll dated 11/2 enid602 Nov 2023 #54

Is this the Quinnipiac data you're talking about CincyDem Nov 2023 #62

Poll enid602 Nov 2023 #67

tres cool. no issues...I just wanted to look at the data and couldn't figure out what I was missing to get to 70. CincyDem Nov 2023 #70

No this is claudette Nov 2023 #126

It's a war strategy to disempower Hamas. wnylib Nov 2023 #134

Yes those claudette Nov 2023 #138

We do not have total control of Israel edisdead Nov 2023 #6

I'll just leave this here. CincyDem Nov 2023 #31

You can't find it because there's no proof she ever said that about "Arabs loving their children." WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 #35

False former9thward Nov 2023 #42

That quote is cited in the book as having been said in a speech she gave to the National Press Club in 1957. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 #48

So you are saying she did not say that quote? former9thward Nov 2023 #49

I'm saying there's no credible evidence she said it. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 #53

Except she said it in her own autobiography? When hardly matters EX500rider Nov 2023 #75

The "oral autobiography" it appears in is a collection of mostly cited and verifiable speeches and extemporaneous WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 #91

Well now ya made me go look the darn thing up CincyDem Nov 2023 #43

Also interesting that all the wiki references to this quote were disputed on 10/8/23. Hmmmmm. n/t CincyDem Nov 2023 #44

It is in her autobiography. former9thward Nov 2023 #50

Whether she said it or not doesn't really matter. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #83

Imagine admitting that you're forced to kill children as state policy and that it's simply too complicated to not do so. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 #92

My middle-east friend was looking over my shoulder.. chouchou Nov 2023 #68

I'll just leave THIS here. Interpretation of the full quote by playwright and actor Wallace Shawn. AloeVera Nov 2023 #72

Not sure what to do with this, but congratulations on tenancy...170 posts in 21 days is pretty impressive. CincyDem Nov 2023 #74

Thank you. I do what little I can and I'm retired. AloeVera Nov 2023 #78

Cheers... CincyDem Nov 2023 #81

Wow, thanks. AloeVera Nov 2023 #82

The Palestinian people had an opportunity for wnylib Nov 2023 #136

Golda Meir Hekate Nov 2023 #125

Okay, let's play what-if. yagotme Nov 2023 #7

Not to mention SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #95

Didn't factor that in, kept it on a conventional weapons line. yagotme Nov 2023 #109

I agree SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #114

Not to mention the effect on people in Gaza too. You know, being nuked would be a problem for them too. AloeVera Nov 2023 #117

Not lost, just not discussed, as this was a thought exercise on what Israel would do if backed into a corner. yagotme Nov 2023 #118

There is no chance Hamas could destroy Israel. AloeVera Nov 2023 #119

Yes, they have their own production, but they get aid, also. yagotme Nov 2023 #120

It doesn't much matter now. AloeVera Nov 2023 #123

Yes, quite inhumane. yagotme Nov 2023 #165

Tiresome and hollow AloeVera Nov 2023 #166

"This is on Israel." yagotme Nov 2023 #170

Nah. It's on Israel. AloeVera Nov 2023 #171

This war, and Oct 7th, are linked. yagotme Nov 2023 #174

What a naive view. Hamas has the backing of Iran, wnylib Nov 2023 #139

Since you raised this AloeVera Nov 2023 #142

Yes SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #144

You don't have to race to the bottom and create a bigger problem. AloeVera Nov 2023 #155

I was just commenting SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #156

Hamas lit the match. AloeVera Nov 2023 #157

Believe what you choose n/t SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #158

Worse yet, imagine if Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran wnylib Nov 2023 #137

If you want people to listen to you... BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #8

Get this OP to the 'greatest antisemitism ' page Earl_from_PA Nov 2023 #9

How long has Hamas had that charter out? radicalleft Nov 2023 #17

So, we wait until Hamas has killed a lot more Jews, then it'll be OK? nt yagotme Nov 2023 #18

nope radicalleft Nov 2023 #20

They have it in their charter. Their leaders have stated it. yagotme Nov 2023 #22

I have no doubt that they want to kill Jews. radicalleft Nov 2023 #26

What's your definition of "unrestrained jihad"? nt yagotme Nov 2023 #30

Hamas has the backing of Iran, of other anti Isrsel terrorists, wnylib Nov 2023 #140

Or you mean the Arab Nations could try for the fifth or sixth time EX500rider Nov 2023 #145

Yeah, stated intentions otherwise, they haven't killed all the Jews. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #84

While I disagree with OP, I'm loath to go down the anti-Semitic road on this one. CincyDem Nov 2023 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Nov 2023 #41

Let me make this p...ly clear True Dough Nov 2023 #52

I know the habits of the OP Earl_from_PA Nov 2023 #59

Pellucidly True Dough Nov 2023 #60

Yes Earl_from_PA Nov 2023 #61

The Alan Parsons Project Earl_from_PA Nov 2023 #65

Spot on post! Polybius Nov 2023 #112

The US can and should end unconditional military aid and diplomatic support. David__77 Nov 2023 #10

Unconditional? BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #13

There should be clear and public strings attached. David__77 Nov 2023 #14

There's no genocide going on right now in Gaza. Elessar Zappa Nov 2023 #11

Exactly but it's Used against Israel Cha Nov 2023 #33

This is from: The United States Holocaust Museum sheshe2 Nov 2023 #57

That should be required reading. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #69

Yes, the term is being used against Israel. sheshe2 Nov 2023 #71

The government is not going to stop all the domestic violence because they are bought and paid for by madinmaryland Nov 2023 #12

It's arguably immoral to dilute the word "genocide" by using it willy nilly gulliver Nov 2023 #24

There's no genocide happening. This is a war Arazi Nov 2023 #25

I would ForgedCrank Nov 2023 #27

K&R. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 #36

What actual genocide looks like: EX500rider Nov 2023 #38

these are also from your link : Celerity Nov 2023 #45

Those fit the UN definition TwilightZone Nov 2023 #106

But inthewind21 Nov 2023 #173

I know the OP is highly respected around here with a much, much longer history than me. BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #40

+1 betsuni Nov 2023 #88

Hamas started this. Stuart G Nov 2023 #46

That would be political suicide, imo. Oneironaut Nov 2023 #47

DURec leftstreet Nov 2023 #51

That's the perfect recipe for putting Trump in office, then we won't have to worry about Maru Kitteh Nov 2023 #56

What's the recipe? MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #94

The danger Zeitghost Nov 2023 #129

Indeed, we've seen it happen before. Not too long ago in fact. Oopsie Daisy Nov 2023 #146

+1 betsuni Nov 2023 #151

Not even sure Israel needs either vapor2 Nov 2023 #63

Its not genocide edhopper Nov 2023 #66

How about no Calculating Nov 2023 #76

Well inthewind21 Nov 2023 #175

But the US does not supply weapons to Hamas (aid yes) so their attempted genocide will continue EX500rider Nov 2023 #77

No, we can't. There's a lot of things that the US government and US media likes RockRaven Nov 2023 #79

Not a genocide and no the U.S. can't control what happens. betsuni Nov 2023 #89

Not to mention the military aid is a two way street, cutting them off invites our being cut off Amishman Nov 2023 #90

You are correct. sheshe2 Nov 2023 #93

There is going to be a very large Middle East war, malaise. roamer65 Nov 2023 #98

Trump gave bonesaw all the secrets. They don't need us anymore. onecaliberal Nov 2023 #102

I hope you are wrong malaise Nov 2023 #141

I don't think I am. roamer65 Nov 2023 #163

Bibi has said sabbat hunter Nov 2023 #103

Can't stop something that hasn't started. egduj Nov 2023 #116

Exactly. sheshe2 Nov 2023 #124

I keep typing and deleting. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 2023 #127

While we are arguing over terms like pogram and genocide, can somebody tell me when the killing and dying will stop? Chainfire Nov 2023 #147

Thoughtful response malaise Nov 2023 #148

More thoughtful than the OP. onenote Nov 2023 #176

My paternal granny would say malaise Nov 2023 #178

+1 leftstreet Nov 2023 #150

Hamas is all wrong. Hamas has said that they will never stop the killing. Hamas broke the ceasefire in place on 10/6/23. lapucelle Nov 2023 #160

Nope JustAnotherGen Nov 2023 #152

There is no genocide TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #177