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sarisataka

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18. This is misleading propaganda

Tue Nov 7, 2023, 12:03 PM

Nov 2023

First, the Ukrainian numbers are verified by the UN, not just reported by a very partisan and questionable source as in Gaza.

Second-

OHCHR believes that the actual figures are considerably higher, as the receipt of information from some locations where intense hostilities have been going on has been delayed and many reports are still pending corroboration. This concerns, for example, Mariupol (Donetsk region), Lysychansk, Popasna, and Sievierodonetsk (Luhansk region), where there are allegations of numerous civilian casualties.

https://www.ohchr.org/en/news/2023/09/ukraine-civilian-casualty-update-24-september-2023

The UN knows there are many more dead but will not use unverifiable numbers

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It's official ... [View all] Marcus IM Nov 2023 OP

What a claudette Nov 2023 #1

Agreed.... anciano Nov 2023 #3

Yes, but man is the most dangerous of all. Butterflylady Nov 2023 #45

Even claudette Nov 2023 #54

If all the animals got together, who would be voted off the planet first? Magoo48 Nov 2023 #60

And a complete load of.bullshit. paleotn Nov 2023 #53

Ukraine Cares About Her People.. Fucking Hamas Does NOT. Cha Nov 2023 #2

If that is Hamas' strategy, it seems like it's working. It begs the question ... Marcus IM Nov 2023 #4

Two choices for Israel: yagotme Nov 2023 #6

Nothing justifies this response malaise Nov 2023 #9

Ukraine is killing civilians inside Russia. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #10

I'd call dropping a bomb on a refugee camp and killing 50 people deliberate Army Brat Nov 2023 #14

This message was self-deleted by its author totodeinhere Nov 2023 #22

It has been documented that Hamas fighters hide among innocent civilians. totodeinhere Nov 2023 #22

Human shields are protected like any other civilian Army Brat Nov 2023 #28

Human shields are protected in the way that the country the shields are a member of, yagotme Nov 2023 #32

Yes, just as Israel is Army Brat Nov 2023 #33

I don't understand your reply. yagotme Nov 2023 #36

I meant Israel is also commiting war crimes Army Brat Nov 2023 #40

OK, glad to clear that one part up. yagotme Nov 2023 #46

Proportionate response is a rule of war, not a rule of law. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #38

International law gives Israel the right to defend itself. totodeinhere Nov 2023 #34

Israel should man up , use a little brain power instead of fire power questionseverything Nov 2023 #61

I'd not make assumptions or rush to udgement. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #29

Well, since a leader of the militants WAS killed, I guess they were right... nt yagotme Nov 2023 #30

Perhaps the world needs to revisit the topic of war crimes. totodeinhere Nov 2023 #21

So, you don't like what Israel is doing. yagotme Nov 2023 #31

That's how wars are fought all throughout history Calculating Nov 2023 #37

I never thought I'd see so many people handwaving war crimes redqueen Nov 2023 #39

Frightening indeed malaise Nov 2023 #59

Two choices seems too few to me Redleg Nov 2023 #44

The 2 I listed, are basically what all other choices boil down to. yagotme Nov 2023 #47

I disagree Redleg Nov 2023 #48

Hamas is intertwined in the infrastructure of Gaza. yagotme Nov 2023 #49

"Boots on the ground" is a poorly defined option or strategy Redleg Nov 2023 #50

Well, I'm glad I could keep you employed here. yagotme Nov 2023 #62

No pay, it's all about the intrinsic motivation Redleg Nov 2023 #63

Ah, self-idealized self-employment. yagotme Nov 2023 #64

I'd call that over-retaliation, which of course will continue the cycle of violence. Consequences? brush Nov 2023 #5

Just another tragic commentary on how much Hamas cares about Gaza civilians Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #7

Yep. Making killing said civilians even more egregious. Marcus IM Nov 2023 #8

Too bad Erik Sperling doesn't acknowledge this in his tweet. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #11

and how willing Israel is to kill civilians Chautauquas Nov 2023 #26

Don't confuse a will to kill terrorists with a will to kill civilians. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #42

That's one way to make sure Hamas Tickle Nov 2023 #12

Beheading women and babies with knives or bombs is one way to ensure retribution. Marcus IM Nov 2023 #13

This is not about getting over October 7th. Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #43

The tweeter is lying Mosby Nov 2023 #15

Well, if Eloon sez so, it must be true. Sure. Uh huh. Marcus IM Nov 2023 #16

Sorry to see you have a problem with facts. Mosby Nov 2023 #17

Twitter is a nest of RWers and tRumpsters. Marcus IM Nov 2023 #27

This is misleading propaganda sarisataka Nov 2023 #18

The difference is that Ukraine does not use human shields. Hamas does. totodeinhere Nov 2023 #19

Agreed inthewind21 Nov 2023 #20

Well if Erik Sperling says it it must be true. BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #24

80,000 to 100,000 civilians were killed in a single night in the fire bombing of Tokyo in WWII. It's war and war is hell elocs Nov 2023 #25

66,000 - 140,000 in one MINUTE Wednesdays Nov 2023 #35

So what you're suggesting is a war... on... terror. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2023 #55

It appears many people learned nothing from it. nt redqueen Nov 2023 #57

Yeah, bullshit. Elessar Zappa Nov 2023 #41

Such hideous data. pandr32 Nov 2023 #51

Putin rso Nov 2023 #52

Do we really need to post that bullshit here? themaguffin Nov 2023 #56

Poor targeting systems Lurker Deluxe Nov 2023 #58