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MyNameIsJonas

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71. I think you're confused by your own point.

Fri Nov 10, 2023, 07:32 PM

Nov 2023

Your post is literally asking if the NYT purposely released these polls to suppress Democratic turnout in an off-election. That's what you said. I am telling you that the NYT released this poll this week because it coincided with the US being one-year out from the 2024 presidential election. It's why there have been a slew of other swing state polls, including from Bloomberg and Emerson (that support the NYT poll) released this week.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

The reason they're bad polls is because Biden is not popular. It's that simple. It's why even Democratic-leaning polls done by places like DailyKos have his approval at the lowest of any incumbent president since H.W. Bush.

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Was the purpose of the sketchy NYT polling release to suppress Dem voter turnout this week? [View all] themaguffin Nov 2023 OP

Yup. Lots of polling these days seem to be little more than ratfucking. FSogol Nov 2023 #1

Ratfucking? Sorry, I don't know that one. NCIndie Nov 2023 #4

Ratfucking is an American slang term for political sabotage or dirty tricks, particularly pertaining to elections. FSogol Nov 2023 #11

My fellow submariners and I invented a card game we called RF EYESORE 9001 Nov 2023 #13

The NY Times? Political sabotage? NCIndie Nov 2023 #17

See: "Roger Stone" ratfucker flamingdem Nov 2023 #52

Deleting this as it could be misunderstood. padfun Nov 2023 #28

First of all, you get a rat. Sneederbunk Nov 2023 #42

Ah. Literal and not metaphorical. NCIndie Nov 2023 #46

Careful what you ask for... GreenWave Nov 2023 #61

TV news should rename their programs. Like, CBS Morning Polls Walleye Nov 2023 #2

Polling isn't perfect. That's why statistics exist. NCIndie Nov 2023 #3

Many people also don't understand margin of error. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #12

It's worse than that. NCIndie Nov 2023 #22

Did the NYT report that the results were skewed when they published? redqueen Nov 2023 #31

You just mentioned... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #33

No, because they also released the distribution of the respondents. NCIndie Nov 2023 #45

No,.... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #48

The level of evidence required for a court conviction is pretty high. NCIndie Nov 2023 #60

That level of evidence rarely exists... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #64

I agree completely. NCIndie Nov 2023 #65

Fortunately, many DUers are proactive not reactive. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #83

Amusingly, dpibel Nov 2023 #90

On a discussion board? dpibel Nov 2023 #80

"Released" as in, you can get it if you dig dpibel Nov 2023 #81

Post removed Post removed Nov 2023 #78

It does have to wear on a person dpibel Nov 2023 #82

Couldn't have been better timed. Kid Berwyn Nov 2023 #5

My guess also!! Peacetrain Nov 2023 #6

Right Wing Media yankee87 Nov 2023 #7

there isn't enough focus on the increased manipulation of these polls bigtree Nov 2023 #8

I don't think so. shrike3 Nov 2023 #9

There's also other polls that show him losing. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #19

So, there's a mixture in the polls. shrike3 Nov 2023 #25

Wouldn't a good definition of... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #34

Well. Sometimes the narrative isn't deliberate. shrike3 Nov 2023 #39

Thanks.... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #44

Again, I'm not privy to what goes on in elite newsrooms. shrike3 Nov 2023 #49

If Biden Rebl2 Nov 2023 #40

Oh, I agree. shrike3 Nov 2023 #51

Figures Rebl2 Nov 2023 #88

Because the polls that show Biden leading are not well-known. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #43

The "Biden should drop out, Biden is too old, Democrats are nervous," narrative started long before these polls. shrike3 Nov 2023 #50

They started when that one poll a couple months ago that had 70% Americans who said Biden was too old. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #70

Nope. Narrative started long before that. shrike3 Nov 2023 #75

lol who cares when it started? MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #92

Darlin', you said "Biden is too old" started a couple of months ago. shrike3 Nov 2023 #96

Honey, you brought it up first. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #97

Aw, glad you like endearments, too. shrike3 Nov 2023 #99

Poll rso Nov 2023 #55

Yes. That was the last poll that had Biden up in PA - but it's not from last week. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #69

True - links to poll numbers womanofthehills Nov 2023 #84

Here are the other polls this week womanofthehills Nov 2023 #98

Biden's people have their work cut out for them. shrike3 Nov 2023 #100

NYTpoll, other bogus reporting was setting path for No Labels and Manchin. blm Nov 2023 #10

Explain why they'd want to. brooklynite Nov 2023 #14

Horse race. dchill Nov 2023 #76

Where was the "horse race" in Tuesday's election? brooklynite Nov 2023 #77

Not everything advocated has an obvious result. dchill Nov 2023 #85

Not everything is a conspiracy brooklynite Nov 2023 #91

It's not a conspiracy. dchill Nov 2023 #93

Suppressing turnout is good for clicks? brooklynite Nov 2023 #94

Evidently. dchill Nov 2023 #95

Bingo Emile Nov 2023 #15

No lol. It's very common for a slew of polls to be released a year out from an election. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #16

I'm referring to the 2024 polling released just prior to the elections this past Tuesday, given the "bad" numbers for themaguffin Nov 2023 #20

I know what you're referring to. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #41

No, you're missing the point themaguffin Nov 2023 #66

I think you're confused by your own point. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #71

Ok, you missed my point themaguffin Nov 2023 #73

The problem with conspiracy theories is that they have a tendency to grow... brooklynite Nov 2023 #18

+1 NCIndie Nov 2023 #23

Yep... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #35

That seems about right Blue Owl Nov 2023 #21

The voting on Tuesday had very little to do with Biden. honest.abe Nov 2023 #24

Well hopefully they will realize all the rights Tree Lady Nov 2023 #30

That is precisely what we need to focus on for 2024. honest.abe Nov 2023 #67

Why didn't the poll pick that up? gab13by13 Nov 2023 #58

The polling was about Biden vs Trump not about abortion rights. honest.abe Nov 2023 #68

What do you mean polls didn't pick that up? MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #72

Any bandwagon effect is real but narrative cannot dictate an outcome bucolic_frolic Nov 2023 #26

Psychological manipulation... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #36

Wouldn't surprise me. calimary Nov 2023 #27

pandering to the right DoBW Nov 2023 #29

Sketchy polls are designed to confuse and mislead. jaxexpat Nov 2023 #32

If you're into nutty conspiracies... Basic LA Nov 2023 #37

Totally dislike posts that call polls "reality". LakeArenal Nov 2023 #38

I wonder what President Dewey thought of polls? 303squadron Nov 2023 #47

I noticed Joe "No Labels" Mancin got right out there with his announcement CanonRay Nov 2023 #53

Doubt seriously the NYT's poll was designed to suppress Dem vote. Silent Type Nov 2023 #54

Why? gab13by13 Nov 2023 #59

Why do you think so? I just don't think the polls are as nefarious as some. You might not like the poll, Silent Type Nov 2023 #63

Poll rso Nov 2023 #56

Is there any evidence to support that? Kaleva Nov 2023 #57

Polls are a means to push propaganda. gab13by13 Nov 2023 #62

Take a look at the polling summary brooklynite Nov 2023 #74

+1 Celerity Nov 2023 #87

Yep. 58Sunliner Nov 2023 #79

"to suppress Dem voter turnout this week" Takket Nov 2023 #86

No. Celerity Nov 2023 #89