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MADem

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120. Yes--they are in their third year, and will soon be in their 4th. Your point?
Sun Nov 18, 2012, 04:34 PM
Nov 2012

Last edited Sun Nov 18, 2012, 05:15 PM - Edit history (1)

They have three years of experience with the program--they started with 200 souls, and quickly expanded the program to 800 when they saw the revenues that were enjoyed as a consequence.

"Friends of MacDill" is what other commands have done, only on a much larger scale because the installation has some prime facilities and because 80 percent of the military population of the base lives OFF-base, not on the facility. It's an effort to do outreach to the place where most of the service personnel (to include foreign military assigned to the base) live. Also, many civilians volunteer to help the military with Quality of Life undertakings like outreach to vets or wounded warriors, and the access helps with coordination.

It has nothing to do with Petraeus, or Allen, or Kelley, or Broadwell. It's an installation commander's solution for a vexing MWR shortfall, that has the added benefit of building community ties, and it had to be approved all the way up the chain to the USAF Secretary as an ADMINISTRATIVE fix for a fiscal problem.

Ms. Kelley wasn't meeting these generals on the base, you know--she was meeting them at soirees off base. Weekend parties. EVENING parties. We don't even know if she golfs. Her social climbing would not have depended on a base pass, not by any measure.

The FOM program, too, is a DAYTIME program, designed to bring in revenue to the O-Club and the golf course. I can guarantee you that if the program ceases, the first people who will suffer are the junior enlisted, who won't enjoy subsidized amusements at the MWR tix/tours shop or at their club/bowling alley, etc. However, your link simply says that the "annual review" of the program has been moved up owing to the attention that it has received. I'll bet they keep the program. I'm betting that it's worth at least a quarter of a million, conservatively, a year in MWR revenues. The O Club alone gets $163K p.a. with just dues--not having to do anything to make that money.

If not for the juxtaposition of one single member of this program to this scandal, it would continue on happily and no one would have noticed it--it's nothing more than a base moneymaker, because Congress does not fund NAF instrumentalities, and they haven't for many years now.

The behavior of the generals is a separate issue. I know people not familiar with the military can't see the distinction, but not everything is a conspiracy, and this program is nothing more than a way to pull in cash for non-appropriated funds efforts.

FWIW, Kelley didn't get her MacDill pass until AFTER Petraeus left MacDill--but she was throwing parties for the bigwigs--AND Dave and Holly Petraeus-- well before the program was even initiated. By the time she got her pass, Petraeus was gone from FL and in Afghanistan--so it is very likely that she DID know the family for five years or more, particularly since the photos making the rounds of her with them are from way back when he was assigned to MacDill and on active duty--in 2009 or thereabouts--and he assumed his assignment at MacDill way back in 2008. She was probably a member of the Welcome Wagon. She certainly became close with Mrs. P, from all accounts, down the years.

You're talking apples and oranges, here, or, more appropriately, putting the Friends of MacDill cart ahead of the Throwing Parties for the Petraeuses Horse. Kelley was entertaining Petraeus (and his wife) way back when he was a general assigned to MacDill, way before she was admitted to this Friends program (which, again, happened AFTER he left the base).


General David Petraeus kisses Jill Kelley after accepting community service award presented at Kelley's home during the summer of 2011.



From left: Gen David Petraeus, Scott Kelley and his wife, Jill, and Holly Petraeus are shown at the 2010 Gasparilla parade in Tampa, Florida. Photo: Tampa Bay Times


Kelley and her sister with Holly Petraeus...and is that Holly's daughter?




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Just to entertain the fringe... behindenemylins Nov 2012 #1
Gloria Allred is as much of a CIA spook as Miley Cyrus obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #9
uh oh. Gloria Allred's involved. Now it's going to get sirius... aletier_v Nov 2012 #2
Who is preventing them from speaking? Ruby the Liberal Nov 2012 #3
Kelley hires Monica Lewinsky's "crisis manager". aletier_v Nov 2012 #10
Maybe Broadwell will have her ghost writer construct a statement for her Supersedeas Nov 2012 #64
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Kelley was in constant email contact with Patraeus and Allen aletier_v Nov 2012 #7
It's quite possible that Pretaeus spoke to Broadwell about his court support for one of the twins Lucinda Nov 2012 #8
The huge party that Kelley threw for the Petraeus couple might have come to her attention. MADem Nov 2012 #111
Yep. That too! I didn't even think about that. Lucinda Nov 2012 #121
Allen forwarded to Kelly an email riverwalker Nov 2012 #30
Paula knew the Ho Ho's were Ding-Dong's. aletier_v Nov 2012 #33
it was a ring ding (er) too. nt boston bean Nov 2012 #88
What? Confusious Nov 2012 #69
While I agree there is more to this story... ljm2002 Nov 2012 #116
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If Petraeus admitted the affair and is quitting his post because of JDPriestly Nov 2012 #122
"whistle blower, Jill Kelley"? Oh, please cali Nov 2012 #5
She is totally right, and has been fighting for women for decades obamanut2012 Nov 2012 #6
Such as? MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #12
Please do your homework before asking questions like this.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #65
Totally agree. DURHAM D Nov 2012 #13
she is right TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #24
I've been a feminist since I first became aware of the concept MotherPetrie Nov 2012 #11
Yes. "Poor wittle girls" indeed. Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #76
I have been thinking the very same thing. Evergreen Emerald Nov 2012 #14
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" the fall guy would often be the lowest 'ranking' member" aletier_v Nov 2012 #16
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But she kept those docs "in the clear", which is against all regs for classified materials peacebird Nov 2012 #19
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That's a pre-scandal article (Sept 27th). aletier_v Nov 2012 #23
why? TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #25
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I thought it was just me sandyshoes17 Nov 2012 #29
hahaha. This board must be pretty young. aletier_v Nov 2012 #32
Not that young sandyshoes17 Nov 2012 #37
Not that young...I voted for McGovern in 1972. The MSM has been throwing out misdirection crap.... OldDem2012 Nov 2012 #68
+1 nt MADem Nov 2012 #87
The focus on Kelley and her sister is all down to Allen's fitness for command. MADem Nov 2012 #85
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Highly unlikely that they'd have him. He's damaged goods. nt MADem Nov 2012 #89
hello, she's not a general. :) aletier_v Nov 2012 #22
Bullshit. A CIA director was FIRED for mishandling classified material. MADem Nov 2012 #82
there are different levels of classified aletier_v Nov 2012 #83
I've seen careers end for mishandling secret downgraded to CONF. MADem Nov 2012 #92
Yes, there are different levels of classification tammywammy Nov 2012 #94
You are saying Petraeus aimed to leave in disgrace? flamingdem Nov 2012 #112
Positive statement "I had an affair with a married man, causing his disgrace and loss of his job" peacebird Nov 2012 #18
Excuse me, BROADWELL was the "cause"? TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #34
Media says she chased him to Afghanistan aletier_v Nov 2012 #35
I missed the part where she "chased" him to Afghanistan. Prometheus Bound Nov 2012 #53
what a pant load TorchTheWitch Nov 2012 #71
Believe what you like. I have no personal agenda other than humor. aletier_v Nov 2012 #77
I think they were screwing around while he was still in uniform--that's the unspoken piece. MADem Nov 2012 #93
She semi-stalked the guy flamingdem Nov 2012 #113
The cause was the affair. Both were equals in that. peacebird Nov 2012 #36
My god! Such a beam of light! Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #81
Lessee: the men are high ranked generals question everything Nov 2012 #20
One stereo type is that Broadwell is a mistress seabeyond Nov 2012 #26
Totally unsurprised that the Daily Caller comments section to this article sufrommich Nov 2012 #31
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I don't see how Patraeus is untouchable. aletier_v Nov 2012 #43
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They've both admitted to it. So, you can "see" it or not, but it's been acknowleged. MADem Nov 2012 #95
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Her friends can--and have--spoken for her. MADem Nov 2012 #125
You do realize she's on the brink of being charged with a shit load of stuff under the Uniform Code? MADem Nov 2012 #103
Seems to me the men are the ones being shamed here. DirkGently Nov 2012 #40
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Wait. Why would Petraeus want to out Broadwell? DirkGently Nov 2012 #42
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Broadwell probably will suffer more, propotionately aletier_v Nov 2012 #57
"Would you hire her for anything involving the public trust?" aletier_v Nov 2012 #66
"SHe found out her trust was misplaced" aletier_v Nov 2012 #44
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wow. did you look at the pictures of them? aletier_v Nov 2012 #54
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Are you saying there was no affair? She has not denied it has sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #62
She told the FBI about the affair in September, when they confiscated her computer. MADem Nov 2012 #98
She "confirmed" way back in September when she gave the FBI her computer with the classified MADem Nov 2012 #96
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interesting. you think he should have defended her aletier_v Nov 2012 #60
Ha! Ironic that "chivalry code" would raise its head in Eleanors38 Nov 2012 #91
You have the timeline all fucked up--she admitted the affair FIRST. In September. MADem Nov 2012 #97
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Yes--driven, 'anything-to-win' personality. That idiot Petraeus was quite the prize. MADem Nov 2012 #100
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No she doesn't. "One day" doesn't mean "today." MADem Nov 2012 #107
Let's see.. sendero Nov 2012 #51
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FBI. Nt Confusious Nov 2012 #70
Uh.....they confiscated HER COMPUTER. After she confessed the affair to the FBI. In September. n MADem Nov 2012 #105
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small circles aletier_v Nov 2012 #61
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Interesting choice. I consider the father to be the least revelant aletier_v Nov 2012 #86
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No modern farce is complete customerserviceguy Nov 2012 #59
When this broke last Friday, I was wondering where is Gloria Allred? LeftInTX Nov 2012 #63
She's late. Several articles have already been written sabrina 1 Nov 2012 #67
" wealthy enough to hob nob with top military brass" aletier_v Nov 2012 #80
Who cares? leftlibdem420 Nov 2012 #72
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Why is she giving an interview to the DAILY FRIGGING CALLER? MADem Nov 2012 #73
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Love the use of the term "spokes (sic) exclusively" to describe an email. MADem Nov 2012 #78
Ths whole mess is disgusting...both the men and the women involved. Tippy Nov 2012 #109
Classified Information aletier_v Nov 2012 #84
Allred is wrong ....These women had a motive and they deserve what they get.... Tippy Nov 2012 #104
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Why are these women in Tampa entertaining military brass JDPriestly Nov 2012 #108
Well said. Access to CentCom if you are a "Party Giver...who is in debt for millions" KoKo Nov 2012 #110
This shit happens more often than people realize. MADem Nov 2012 #114
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MacDill has TWO golf courses. MADem Nov 2012 #118
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Yes--they are in their third year, and will soon be in their 4th. Your point? MADem Nov 2012 #120
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Three years is a few. Your nitpicking isn't taken. nt MADem Nov 2012 #124
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