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WarGamer

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48. Haven't armies disappeared into civilian infrastructure in EVERY recent war?

Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:38 PM

Nov 2023

From WW2?

Were Russians in Stalingrad using Russian civilians as "human shields"??

Or Germans in the Battle of Berlin?

It's an odd question.

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Is it a war crime to use civilians as human shields? [View all] yardwork Nov 2023 OP

Yes nt sarisataka Nov 2023 #1

Yes. lapucelle Nov 2023 #2

Corollary: would it be a war crime if Israel did it? yardwork Nov 2023 #3

In the past, Israel has used human shields. Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #6

Do you think it's a war crime to use civilians as human shields? yardwork Nov 2023 #7

Yes, of course. Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #8

Good question. yardwork Nov 2023 #9

Of course, it is not a fight for Israel's survival. Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #43

Those are a lot of assumptions. yardwork Nov 2023 #47

Name the assumptions. N/T Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #55

It's worth considering that it's not JUST Hamas in this equation. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #51

Without much expertise, I still feel fairly confident that Hamas has help. yardwork Nov 2023 #62

The anti-Israel propaganda machine has been in full swing since I was in college in 1981. SouthernDem4ever Nov 2023 #63

I see where you're coming from, though I don't agree. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #64

I'm not discounting antisemitism. yardwork Nov 2023 #65

They are quite literally embedded with the people and hate to break it to you but they enjoy PLENTY of support GuppyGal Nov 2023 #60

It is, but shame on you for asking! Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #4

I know, right?! yardwork Nov 2023 #5

And the person who said Israel has done it is antisemitic! Clash City Rocker Nov 2023 #77

Has done what? And what the person are you referring to? Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #79

Does a war crime justify another war crime in response? meadowlander Nov 2023 #10

Are you saying Israel is intentionally killing civilians in order to get to Hamas fighters? brooklynite Nov 2023 #11

I'm saying that they still have responsibility for the effects of the choices that they are making. meadowlander Nov 2023 #13

When did they bomb a hospital to get to the tunnels underneath? EX500rider Nov 2023 #19

Since we don't know any real details and only have broad theoreticals... yardwork Nov 2023 #20

Now do the same analysis for Gaza. Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #44

Israel is at war. yardwork Nov 2023 #46

Are you excusing this incredible number of causalities in 5 weeks with more to come? Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #54

Hostages..........remember them? Just thought I'd give ya a lil reminder GuppyGal Nov 2023 #59

I'm not excusing anything. War is war. yardwork Nov 2023 #61

Hanas started this phase of a "war" that has been going on since Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #67

No. This is not an accurate summation. yardwork Nov 2023 #70

How is it inaccurate? N/T Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #71

Nobody move Kennah Nov 2023 #50

Hamas is nothing but animals William769 Nov 2023 #12

This sounds like my Reich wing neighbors redqueen Nov 2023 #14

Did I hit a little to close to home? William769 Nov 2023 #16

If you're insinuating that I'm a Hamas supporter redqueen Nov 2023 #18

Just as you are insinuating that I'm a "Reich wing neighbors'. William769 Nov 2023 #21

Lol no, I'm saying the language is the same. redqueen Nov 2023 #23

The who me defense? I would have thought better coming from you. William769 Nov 2023 #25

Well that's too bad, because like it or not they are still people. redqueen Nov 2023 #26

Not really Mossfern Nov 2023 #81

It is really dangerous to call any group subhuman Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #45

Thank you redqueen Nov 2023 #74

Then how would you describe them? GuppyGal Nov 2023 #56

all humans are 'nothing but animals' Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #32

I don't know anyone who claudette Nov 2023 #53

Of course it is. Is there a debate about it? Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #15

To my surprise, yes, apparently there is. yardwork Nov 2023 #17

"The use of human shields is a war crime23451, as it violates.. Cha Nov 2023 #22

One phrase jumped out at me: yardwork Nov 2023 #24

"The party responsible for the death of human shields is the one deploying them, " Cha Nov 2023 #27

Interesting inthewind21 Nov 2023 #31

"Typical" of what? It was on the Front page of Google.. Cha Nov 2023 #37

"Unless the attacker is the IDF" DavidDvorkin Nov 2023 #28

Well you know what "they" can do with Cha Nov 2023 #30

Proportionate is in the eye of the beholder... TheRealNorth Nov 2023 #33

I don't think anyone here... Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #42

The 'bunker buster'' Mossfern Nov 2023 #69

If it kill a bunch if innocent people TheRealNorth Nov 2023 #72

It's the bad guy Mossfern Nov 2023 #73

Thats a cop out TheRealNorth Nov 2023 #78

*MY* actions? Mossfern Nov 2023 #80

Hey Cha, Eko Nov 2023 #29

Sorry.. it was on the front page of Google.. Cha Nov 2023 #35

No problem, I figured it was something weird. Eko Nov 2023 #36

TY.. I have someone up thread telling Cha Nov 2023 #38

Well, Eko Nov 2023 #39

Thank you so much for that.. Backatcha! Cha Nov 2023 #41

Unless they are black/brown. Judging by history, that is just fine. onecaliberal Nov 2023 #34

Another post on the Front Page of Google.. citing Yes It's Against the Law! Cha Nov 2023 #40

Haven't armies disappeared into civilian infrastructure in EVERY recent war? WarGamer Nov 2023 #48

Not at all uncommon Chautauquas Nov 2023 #66

Sooner the better LiberaBlueDem Nov 2023 #49

Is it a war crime to claudette Nov 2023 #52

Fucking Santos/Devolder or whatever the fuck his name is Blue Owl Nov 2023 #57

Its a war crime just like Hamas committed on October 7th when they also broke the cease fire. GuppyGal Nov 2023 #58

They still have protection as civilians Army Brat Nov 2023 #68

Is it a war crime to falsely justify attacking civilians by claiming they are being used as human shields? Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #75

It is a war crime to bomb hospitals malaise Nov 2023 #76