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RainWalker

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62. You're on the wrong side of the argument

Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:58 AM

Nov 2023

Not I. And a massive majority of Democrats and American people support a ceasefire.

Hamas honored the ceasefire much longer than Israel ever did. Thousands of Palestinian people have been injured and killed due to things like Israel snipers since 2018.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/two-years-on-people-injured-and-traumatized-during-the-great-march-of-return-are-still-struggling/]

Oppressed people will rise up. What did Israel think was going to happen when they treat the Palestinian people as less than human? Hamas was literally created as a reaction to that oppression. And while I don't agree or support Hamas, it's pretty obvious the powder keg was going to explode at some point just as it did in South Africa.

These figures below are just 2 years, 2018 and 2019. Does that sound like a ceasefire to you?

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68% of US Public Wants Gaza Cease-Fire: Poll - Reuters/Ipsos [View all] VernaF Nov 2023 OP

The main thing is for the US to do less - cut military aid and diplomatic support. David__77 Nov 2023 #1

Military aid to Israel (and Egypt) speak easy Nov 2023 #19

The US does not have to provide it to either state. Besides which, it's not codified in the accords. David__77 Nov 2023 #27

There was a ceasefire already in place. Hamas broke it. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #2

No... Many Of Us Hoped Israel Would Not Be Suckered Into An Overkill Over-Reaction VernaF Nov 2023 #3

Israel is killing Hamas terrorists. jimfields33 Nov 2023 #4

What's The Ratio ??? VernaF Nov 2023 #7

Are there still Hamas terrorists? jimfields33 Nov 2023 #11

And You Think You'll Know... When They've Killed The Last Hamas Terrorist ??? VernaF Nov 2023 #12

How many more non-combatant Palestinian deaths does that require? brush Nov 2023 #31

Are they inthewind21 Nov 2023 #66

how many Hamas fighters are there treestar Nov 2023 #95

So Israel has no responsibility for its own actions? iemanja Nov 2023 #70

Not saying it's a good situation angrychair Nov 2023 #90

can the leaders be ferreted out and killed? treestar Nov 2023 #97

Well, no we shouldn't angrychair Nov 2023 #99

True, and then taking them out treestar Nov 2023 #100

Oh, I think they achieved their goal angrychair Nov 2023 #101

I get it. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #5

And How, EXACTLY, Will You Know Hamas Is Gone ??? VernaF Nov 2023 #10

So your argument is to continue letting Hamas murder Jewish babies. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #13

No... My Argument Is That Entities Like Hamas Will Never Be Gone, As Long As VernaF Nov 2023 #22

Got it. So, it's Israel's fault Hamas exists. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #25

Hey Jonas... Bro... You 10 Years Old ??? VernaF Nov 2023 #29

Sure inthewind21 Nov 2023 #67

No. But it doesn't take an adult to see your victim shaming. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #71

you aren't arguing in good faith treestar Nov 2023 #98

Yes literally it is RainWalker Nov 2023 #60

What a terrible take. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #75

Well I certainly didn't mean to upset you RainWalker Nov 2023 #79

If Israel is guilty of it, so are we. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #84

Yes, it is. And your comparison is DISGUSTING redqueen Nov 2023 #68

More victim blaming. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #77

You made the most profound and accurate comment in the thread and it was ignored. I'm sorry. WarGamer Nov 2023 #26

No Worries, This Whole Thing Has Been Predictable From The Start VernaF Nov 2023 #28

Do you think Netanyahu regrets LuvLoogie Nov 2023 #37

6,392 Palestinians in 2018 RainWalker Nov 2023 #8

So good. We agree. A ceasefire is ridiculous. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #14

No we don't agree RainWalker Nov 2023 #16

And what happens when, in a month, after regrouping, Hamas massacres 2,000 more Israelis? MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #18

Pretty funny given RainWalker Nov 2023 #20

Again, what happens when Hamas massacres 2,000 more Israelis like they've said they're going to do? MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #24

I doubt you'll get an answer TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #30

Well I certainly don't behave that way RainWalker Nov 2023 #57

And Israel has said what? RainWalker Nov 2023 #58

So how many Gazan children should die in your scenario of taking out Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #54

Source? sheshe2 Nov 2023 #49

I hope this helps RainWalker Nov 2023 #59

why did you add the last part? treestar Nov 2023 #96

ok, let's say there is a cease fire lapfog_1 Nov 2023 #6

No. They just want Israel to take it on the chin. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #15

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2023 #21

How do you know what it's about? yardwork Nov 2023 #41

Apparently, Israel is now the only nation on earth expected to ignore an attack. yardwork Nov 2023 #43

Not inthewind21 Nov 2023 #69

I can say with total accuracy that I was 100% opposed to the U.S. response to 9/11 from day one. yardwork Nov 2023 #74

I can inthewind21 Nov 2023 #80

I don't disagree with any of that. However, it's not a reason to vote against Biden. yardwork Nov 2023 #81

Well inthewind21 Nov 2023 #82

Same here. But it's clear that something is afoot. yardwork Nov 2023 #83

I have inthewind21 Nov 2023 #85

I really liked Howard Dean, too. yardwork Nov 2023 #86

I'll inthewind21 Nov 2023 #87

Oh wow. I didn't know that. yardwork Nov 2023 #88

You're welcome. inthewind21 Nov 2023 #89

That's definitely not what I want RainWalker Nov 2023 #61

You're on the wrong side of the argument RainWalker Nov 2023 #62

"cease fire"- it's like when people both sides the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine. themaguffin Nov 2023 #9

What percent of the U.S. public can find Gaza on a map? former9thward Nov 2023 #17

New Headline: CommonDreams Proves CommonDreams Posts Lies with Article gulliver Nov 2023 #23

And they're repeating Justice Democrats talking points? lapucelle Nov 2023 #33

Justice Democrats is a pretty disgusting outfit. lapucelle Nov 2023 #34

If they don't want to be a part of it why the fuck are they even calling themselves Democrats? GuppyGal Nov 2023 #36

They're also bankrupt, both morally and literally. lapucelle Nov 2023 #38

That is putting it mildly. sheshe2 Nov 2023 #53

CommonDreams has always done the work of the right wing mzmolly Nov 2023 #47

Yep, they are far far far left... sheshe2 Nov 2023 #55

Yet they help advance the right wing mzmolly Nov 2023 #64

Justice Democrats sheshe2 Nov 2023 #50

Why would Israel base its defense strategy TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #32

Wake me when Hamas is gone kwolf68 Nov 2023 #39

I haven't claimed Israel is innocent TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #42

Especially Chi67 Nov 2023 #45

Most inthewind21 Nov 2023 #73

As we have seen so prolifically since 2015 ......the people are easily led. Hamas' plan is working out just as GuppyGal Nov 2023 #35

And anti-Semetism is on the rise. lapucelle Nov 2023 #40

It's obvious to even a casual observer like me. yardwork Nov 2023 #65

Wait inthewind21 Nov 2023 #76

Wow... Chris Wray... Wow. nt redqueen Nov 2023 #78

If you've got nothing to say ...........DON'T GuppyGal Nov 2023 #92

Nice redqueen Nov 2023 #93

Ceasefire is pro-Hamas. Support peace. keithbvadu2 Nov 2023 #44

Of course. But Biden isn't in charge of either side mzmolly Nov 2023 #46

What does a ceasefire accomplish? manicdem Nov 2023 #48

We didn't need THIS.... DemocraticPatriot Nov 2023 #51

WE didn't need THIS SHIT................. DemocraticPatriot Nov 2023 #52

Such a FAR cry from early DUer comments. So Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2023 #56

I don't like how binary the poll question is Recursion Nov 2023 #63

Looks like VernaF is no longer with us. Mosby Nov 2023 #72

I am sincerely disgusted MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #91

Quite frankly, I am surprised the percentage is that low. n/t Hugin Nov 2023 #94