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Chi67

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67. People are allowed

Thu Nov 16, 2023, 11:45 AM

Nov 2023

To criticize both sides. This is clearly not a black-and-white situation. You trying to make it so is completely disingenuous. I recognize Israel's right to exist and defend itself. However, its reaction to Hamas' terrorist attack is disproportionate and not helpful. Hamas' leadership is in Qatar, not Gaza. Killing over 11,000 Palestinians is revenge, and it solves nothing.

Don't give me any BS "you're with us or against us" garbage. That is a copout on your part. It was wrong when we invaded Iraq after 9/11, and this is wrong too. Does criticizing our actions in Iraq make me anti-American? No. And criticizing this move by the Israeli government does not make me anti-semitic either. So knock that shit off right now. We're all getting sick of it. Killing civilians in Gaza is not going to make Hamas go away, especially when their leaders are in Qatar. It doesn't take a genius to figure that out.

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The Squad Is About to Fight for Its Political Life [View all] brooklynite Nov 2023 OP

AIPAC will lose LiberaBlueDem Nov 2023 #1

I hope so kwolf68 Nov 2023 #21

A better title would be, " how aipac delivers all three branches to repubs" questionseverything Nov 2023 #2

How is that applicable? brooklynite Nov 2023 #3

The districts are only safe if we peasants vote questionseverything Nov 2023 #6

We're not talking about States. We're talking about House districts. brooklynite Nov 2023 #11

Maybe this year but I don't think you have a clue how upset the young people are about Israel questionseverything Nov 2023 #14

Except none of that is happening TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #20

Either with us or against us kwolf68 Nov 2023 #23

It's war TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #27

People are allowed Chi67 Nov 2023 #67

Invading Iraq TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #85

Agreed on some points Chi67 Nov 2023 #89

"Settlers " or thieves running Palestinians off their lands isn't "right " questionseverything Nov 2023 #30

I agree with that Mossfern Nov 2023 #31

Democrats should be behind President Biden and justice and safety and security for all people involved. sjr2323 Nov 2023 #45

AFAIK, Israeli politics were deeply divided before this horrible event. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2023 #77

These Justice Democrats got their deep blue seats by primarying moderate democrats LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #53

Funny, isn't it mcar Nov 2023 #75

I have also been amused by this LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #76

Exactly! Nixie Nov 2023 #78

DAMN! elleng Nov 2023 #4

I imagine that AIPAC will lose. Autumn Nov 2023 #5

👍 Deuxcents Nov 2023 #28

Seems like another round of Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2023 #71

AIPAC is NOT a Dem ally. in 2022 they endorsed over 100 Republicans who refused to certify Biden's election Celerity Nov 2023 #7

Thanks for posting SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2023 #10

I forgot to also single out their endorsement of MAGAt Mike Johnson, the new christofash Speaker of the House Celerity Nov 2023 #12

AIPAC-endorsed Democrats who didn't brooklynite Nov 2023 #22

really problematic look, trying to excuse over 100 endorsements of insurrectionists with classic whataboutism Celerity Nov 2023 #26

"AIPAC is NOT a Dem ally" brooklynite Nov 2023 #32

They clearly are not, on balance. No actual ally of ours (and of American democracy in general) would endorse Celerity Nov 2023 #35

That's a remarkably naive thing for you to say. muriel_volestrangler Nov 2023 #47

As I said in the OP, I don't care about the outcome of Safe D seats... brooklynite Nov 2023 #50

I think the important thing here is to stop you painting AIPAC as a "Dem ally" muriel_volestrangler Nov 2023 #54

This! redqueen Nov 2023 #63

This, and didn't some of the squad vote against the President's signature Nixie Nov 2023 #69

Love Hakeem Jeffries, Nancy Pelosi, Abigail Spanberger who Fights Cha Nov 2023 #36

I just donated to Collin LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #62

Good on ya, LMPV! Cha Nov 2023 #68

The usual suspects. czarjak Nov 2023 #51

WOW redqueen Nov 2023 #64

AIPAC is not our friend at all. Eko Nov 2023 #8

I assume they are looking for primary opponents. Tomconroy Nov 2023 #9

see this from the article the OP posted: Celerity Nov 2023 #34

AOC responded RainWalker Nov 2023 #13

The one I worry for the most is the wonderful Summer Lee. AIPAC and other dark money entitles spent millions in the Celerity Nov 2023 #15

I really like her RainWalker Nov 2023 #19

Some on here would love to she her booted out in the primary, same for every one (all are PoC btw) on AIPAC's hit list. Celerity Nov 2023 #38

Again I see NOTHING AOC says kwolf68 Nov 2023 #25

This message was self-deleted by its author Oneironaut Nov 2023 #37

They have spent large amounts of money promoting candidates that have literally called for the execution of gay people dsc Nov 2023 #16

The Squad will be fine. BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #17

More focus/knowledge of AIPAC is a good thing. David__77 Nov 2023 #18

Good luck! Hope we can get some great new Democratic reps in these seats! tritsofme Nov 2023 #24

So the ones we currently have aren't great? Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2023 #72

I think the primaries can deliver us a huge upgrade! tritsofme Nov 2023 #80

Pretty telling, "no interest." cachukis Nov 2023 #29

We all lost interest when we are preparing to die, DemocraticPatriot Nov 2023 #42

I Hope They Hold Through, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2023 #33

Can I just say, I LOVE you for that-- not for the "hold through" but for the reasoning lostnfound Nov 2023 #87

Depending on the district it might also hurt candidates to be supported by AIPAC JI7 Nov 2023 #39

I don't support the Squad's position here, but AIPAC can pound sand JCMach1 Nov 2023 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author DemocraticPatriot Nov 2023 #41

brooklynite's position seems entirely consistent FBaggins Nov 2023 #48

When did we stop listening to other opinions? Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2023 #43

What happens in those "SAFE D" seats often have far-reaching impacts. W_HAMILTON Nov 2023 #44

Tlaib is pretty much the only one I would I would not shed a tear over if she lost a primary. That said, Celerity Nov 2023 #46

Fascinating and quite delicately written. lostnfound Nov 2023 #88

Hmmm Emile Nov 2023 #49

Post removed Post removed Nov 2023 #52

The observation that AIPAC is a shitty lobby org that is not aligned with the Democrats Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #56

Her's the funny thing about "the Squad" dwayneb Nov 2023 #55

I have been following the Justice Democrat group for a long time and I disagree with their goals LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #57

And yet, the Justice Democrats in office are ridiculously loyal to the party Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2023 #73

I am on the Justice Democrat email list LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #74

LOL Oopsie Daisy Nov 2023 #79

Where have their votes been costly? Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2023 #84

LOL. I guess that we have different interpretations of your phrase "ridiculously loyal". Oopsie Daisy Nov 2023 #86

People who are giddy about this are the same who clutched their pearls whenever a challenge Autumn Nov 2023 #58

When was a Primary challenge against Manchin ever mentioned? brooklynite Nov 2023 #59

Very often. I'm shocked you are not aware of those discussions. Autumn Nov 2023 #60

Just did a search and didn't find anything... brooklynite Nov 2023 #61

Maybe you were busy with the movers and shakers? Autumn Nov 2023 #66

I don't remember any "pearl clutching" tritsofme Nov 2023 #82

I wonder what people would think if ARPAC RainWalker Nov 2023 #65

They probably are. They just don't advertise it so brazenly. Crunchy Frog Nov 2023 #81

lol what nonsense. tritsofme Nov 2023 #83

For those not caring about "safe" D seats LNM Nov 2023 #70