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inthewind21

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82. Well

Thu Nov 16, 2023, 01:41 PM

Nov 2023

if people decide to vote against Biden over Israel, democrats specifically, then we deserve to lose the election. I'm capable of holding two different trains of thought at the same time regarding 2 different things. I am also not so naive to think that I will 100% agree with ANY elected official so I need to pick my battle wisely. I am completely and utterly against the US getting involved in Israel's "war on terrorism" and believe Israel is making the same stupid mistakes the US did after 9/11. But I also completely understand that Trump, or ANY Republican CANNOT be elected POTUS. Period! So if Biden signed an order today and sent US troops to Israel, I'd be against it and I'd likely protest it. But come election time, I'll vote Biden! THAT should be a no brainer.

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68% of US Public Wants Gaza Cease-Fire: Poll - Reuters/Ipsos [View all] VernaF Nov 2023 OP

The main thing is for the US to do less - cut military aid and diplomatic support. David__77 Nov 2023 #1

Military aid to Israel (and Egypt) speak easy Nov 2023 #19

The US does not have to provide it to either state. Besides which, it's not codified in the accords. David__77 Nov 2023 #27

There was a ceasefire already in place. Hamas broke it. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #2

No... Many Of Us Hoped Israel Would Not Be Suckered Into An Overkill Over-Reaction VernaF Nov 2023 #3

Israel is killing Hamas terrorists. jimfields33 Nov 2023 #4

What's The Ratio ??? VernaF Nov 2023 #7

Are there still Hamas terrorists? jimfields33 Nov 2023 #11

And You Think You'll Know... When They've Killed The Last Hamas Terrorist ??? VernaF Nov 2023 #12

How many more non-combatant Palestinian deaths does that require? brush Nov 2023 #31

Are they inthewind21 Nov 2023 #66

how many Hamas fighters are there treestar Nov 2023 #95

So Israel has no responsibility for its own actions? iemanja Nov 2023 #70

Not saying it's a good situation angrychair Nov 2023 #90

can the leaders be ferreted out and killed? treestar Nov 2023 #97

Well, no we shouldn't angrychair Nov 2023 #99

True, and then taking them out treestar Nov 2023 #100

Oh, I think they achieved their goal angrychair Nov 2023 #101

I get it. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #5

And How, EXACTLY, Will You Know Hamas Is Gone ??? VernaF Nov 2023 #10

So your argument is to continue letting Hamas murder Jewish babies. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #13

No... My Argument Is That Entities Like Hamas Will Never Be Gone, As Long As VernaF Nov 2023 #22

Got it. So, it's Israel's fault Hamas exists. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #25

Hey Jonas... Bro... You 10 Years Old ??? VernaF Nov 2023 #29

Sure inthewind21 Nov 2023 #67

No. But it doesn't take an adult to see your victim shaming. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #71

you aren't arguing in good faith treestar Nov 2023 #98

Yes literally it is RainWalker Nov 2023 #60

What a terrible take. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #75

Well I certainly didn't mean to upset you RainWalker Nov 2023 #79

If Israel is guilty of it, so are we. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #84

Yes, it is. And your comparison is DISGUSTING redqueen Nov 2023 #68

More victim blaming. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #77

You made the most profound and accurate comment in the thread and it was ignored. I'm sorry. WarGamer Nov 2023 #26

No Worries, This Whole Thing Has Been Predictable From The Start VernaF Nov 2023 #28

Do you think Netanyahu regrets LuvLoogie Nov 2023 #37

6,392 Palestinians in 2018 RainWalker Nov 2023 #8

So good. We agree. A ceasefire is ridiculous. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #14

No we don't agree RainWalker Nov 2023 #16

And what happens when, in a month, after regrouping, Hamas massacres 2,000 more Israelis? MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #18

Pretty funny given RainWalker Nov 2023 #20

Again, what happens when Hamas massacres 2,000 more Israelis like they've said they're going to do? MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #24

I doubt you'll get an answer TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #30

Well I certainly don't behave that way RainWalker Nov 2023 #57

And Israel has said what? RainWalker Nov 2023 #58

So how many Gazan children should die in your scenario of taking out Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #54

Source? sheshe2 Nov 2023 #49

I hope this helps RainWalker Nov 2023 #59

why did you add the last part? treestar Nov 2023 #96

ok, let's say there is a cease fire lapfog_1 Nov 2023 #6

No. They just want Israel to take it on the chin. MyNameIsJonas Nov 2023 #15

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2023 #21

How do you know what it's about? yardwork Nov 2023 #41

Apparently, Israel is now the only nation on earth expected to ignore an attack. yardwork Nov 2023 #43

Not inthewind21 Nov 2023 #69

I can say with total accuracy that I was 100% opposed to the U.S. response to 9/11 from day one. yardwork Nov 2023 #74

I can inthewind21 Nov 2023 #80

I don't disagree with any of that. However, it's not a reason to vote against Biden. yardwork Nov 2023 #81

Well inthewind21 Nov 2023 #82

Same here. But it's clear that something is afoot. yardwork Nov 2023 #83

I have inthewind21 Nov 2023 #85

I really liked Howard Dean, too. yardwork Nov 2023 #86

I'll inthewind21 Nov 2023 #87

Oh wow. I didn't know that. yardwork Nov 2023 #88

You're welcome. inthewind21 Nov 2023 #89

That's definitely not what I want RainWalker Nov 2023 #61

You're on the wrong side of the argument RainWalker Nov 2023 #62

"cease fire"- it's like when people both sides the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine. themaguffin Nov 2023 #9

What percent of the U.S. public can find Gaza on a map? former9thward Nov 2023 #17

New Headline: CommonDreams Proves CommonDreams Posts Lies with Article gulliver Nov 2023 #23

And they're repeating Justice Democrats talking points? lapucelle Nov 2023 #33

Justice Democrats is a pretty disgusting outfit. lapucelle Nov 2023 #34

If they don't want to be a part of it why the fuck are they even calling themselves Democrats? GuppyGal Nov 2023 #36

They're also bankrupt, both morally and literally. lapucelle Nov 2023 #38

That is putting it mildly. sheshe2 Nov 2023 #53

CommonDreams has always done the work of the right wing mzmolly Nov 2023 #47

Yep, they are far far far left... sheshe2 Nov 2023 #55

Yet they help advance the right wing mzmolly Nov 2023 #64

Justice Democrats sheshe2 Nov 2023 #50

Why would Israel base its defense strategy TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #32

Wake me when Hamas is gone kwolf68 Nov 2023 #39

I haven't claimed Israel is innocent TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #42

Especially Chi67 Nov 2023 #45

Most inthewind21 Nov 2023 #73

As we have seen so prolifically since 2015 ......the people are easily led. Hamas' plan is working out just as GuppyGal Nov 2023 #35

And anti-Semetism is on the rise. lapucelle Nov 2023 #40

It's obvious to even a casual observer like me. yardwork Nov 2023 #65

Wait inthewind21 Nov 2023 #76

Wow... Chris Wray... Wow. nt redqueen Nov 2023 #78

If you've got nothing to say ...........DON'T GuppyGal Nov 2023 #92

Nice redqueen Nov 2023 #93

Ceasefire is pro-Hamas. Support peace. keithbvadu2 Nov 2023 #44

Of course. But Biden isn't in charge of either side mzmolly Nov 2023 #46

What does a ceasefire accomplish? manicdem Nov 2023 #48

We didn't need THIS.... DemocraticPatriot Nov 2023 #51

WE didn't need THIS SHIT................. DemocraticPatriot Nov 2023 #52

Such a FAR cry from early DUer comments. So Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2023 #56

I don't like how binary the poll question is Recursion Nov 2023 #63

Looks like VernaF is no longer with us. Mosby Nov 2023 #72

I am sincerely disgusted MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #91

Quite frankly, I am surprised the percentage is that low. n/t Hugin Nov 2023 #94