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In reply to the discussion: An unbelievable comment from Netanyahu's spokesperson [View all]marble falls
(73,544 posts)94. An opinion that is entirely one sided. ...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas
In 1987, after the outbreak of the First Intifada against Israel, Hamas was founded by Palestinian imam and activist Ahmed Yassin. It emerged out of his Mujama al-Islamiya (Islamic Centre), which had been established in Gaza in 1973 as an Islamic charity involved with the Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood.[22] Hamas became increasingly involved in the IsraeliPalestinian conflict by the late 1990s;[63] it opposed the IsraelPLO Letters of Mutual Recognition as well as the Oslo Accords, which saw Fatah renounce "the use of terrorism and other acts of violence" and recognize Israel in pursuit of a two-state solution. Hamas continued to advocate Palestinian armed resistance, won the 2006 Palestinian legislative election,[64] gaining a majority in the Palestinian Legislative Council,[65] and took control of the Gaza Strip from Fatah following a civil war in 2007.[66][67] Since then, it has run Gaza as a de facto autocratic and one-party state.[68][69][70]
While historically seeking an Islamic Palestinian state over the combined territory of Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip,[71][72] Hamas began accepting the 1967 borders in the agreements it signed with Fatah in 2005, 2006 and 2007.[73] In 2017, Hamas released a new charter that supported a transitional Palestinian state within the 1967 borders without recognizing Israel.[74][75][76][77][78] Hamas's repeated offers of a truce (for a period of 10100 years[79]) based on the 1967 borders are seen by many as being consistent with a two-state solution,[80][81][82][83] while others state that Hamas retains the long-term objective of establishing one state in former Mandatory Palestine.[84][85] Under the ideological principles of Islamism, Hamas promotes Palestinian nationalism in an Islamic context; it has pursued a policy of jihad (armed struggle) against Israel.[c] It has a social service wing, Dawah, and a military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades.[d][e] Since the mid-1990s,[22] Hamas has gained widespread popularity within Palestinian society for its anti-Israeli stance.[89][90] The group's attacks, including suicide bombings against civilian targets and indiscriminate rocket attacks, have been described by academics as acts of terrorism[61] and has led many countries to designate Hamas a terrorist organization.[91][92][52] A 2018 attempt to condemn Hamas for "acts of terror" at the United Nations failed.[f]
Blame Netanyahu for driving the PLO out of Gaza and putting Hamas in charge.
There's plenty of blame to go around. Too bad Bibi loathed Yassir Arafat.
https://www.timesofisrael.com liveblog_entry netanyahu-brandishes-map-of-israel-that-includes-west-bank-and-gaza-at-un-speech
Netanyahu brandishes map of Israel that includes ... - The Times of Israel
Sep 22, 2023Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu uses a red marker on a map of 'The New Middle East' as he addresses the 78th session of the United Nations General Assembly, September 22, 2023.
https://www.jpost.com israel-news politics-and-diplomacy article-760189
Netanyahu under fire for using Greater Land of Israel map at UN
Sep 22, 2023Netanyahu under fire for using Greater Land of Israel map at UN Netanyahu used the map to illustrate a new era of peace in the Middle East that would include the Palestinians, but critics say he ...
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com 20200428-greater-israel-is-the-objective-as-netanyahu-plans-to-wipe-palestine-off-the-map
Greater Israel is the objective as Netanyahu plans to wipe Palestine ...
US President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu participate in a joint statement in the East Room of the White House on 28 January 2020 in Washington, DC.
If the Israelis drive all Palestinians from Gaza, shouldn't Gaza revert to Egypt?
In 1987, after the outbreak of the First Intifada against Israel, Hamas was founded by Palestinian imam and activist Ahmed Yassin. It emerged out of his Mujama al-Islamiya (Islamic Centre), which had been established in Gaza in 1973 as an Islamic charity involved with the Egypt-based Muslim Brotherhood.[22] Hamas became increasingly involved in the IsraeliPalestinian conflict by the late 1990s;[63] it opposed the IsraelPLO Letters of Mutual Recognition as well as the Oslo Accords, which saw Fatah renounce "the use of terrorism and other acts of violence" and recognize Israel in pursuit of a two-state solution. Hamas continued to advocate Palestinian armed resistance, won the 2006 Palestinian legislative election,[64] gaining a majority in the Palestinian Legislative Council,[65] and took control of the Gaza Strip from Fatah following a civil war in 2007.[66][67] Since then, it has run Gaza as a de facto autocratic and one-party state.[68][69][70]
While historically seeking an Islamic Palestinian state over the combined territory of Israel, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip,[71][72] Hamas began accepting the 1967 borders in the agreements it signed with Fatah in 2005, 2006 and 2007.[73] In 2017, Hamas released a new charter that supported a transitional Palestinian state within the 1967 borders without recognizing Israel.[74][75][76][77][78] Hamas's repeated offers of a truce (for a period of 10100 years[79]) based on the 1967 borders are seen by many as being consistent with a two-state solution,[80][81][82][83] while others state that Hamas retains the long-term objective of establishing one state in former Mandatory Palestine.[84][85] Under the ideological principles of Islamism, Hamas promotes Palestinian nationalism in an Islamic context; it has pursued a policy of jihad (armed struggle) against Israel.[c] It has a social service wing, Dawah, and a military wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades.[d][e] Since the mid-1990s,[22] Hamas has gained widespread popularity within Palestinian society for its anti-Israeli stance.[89][90] The group's attacks, including suicide bombings against civilian targets and indiscriminate rocket attacks, have been described by academics as acts of terrorism[61] and has led many countries to designate Hamas a terrorist organization.[91][92][52] A 2018 attempt to condemn Hamas for "acts of terror" at the United Nations failed.[f]
Blame Netanyahu for driving the PLO out of Gaza and putting Hamas in charge.
There's plenty of blame to go around. Too bad Bibi loathed Yassir Arafat.
https://www.timesofisrael.com liveblog_entry netanyahu-brandishes-map-of-israel-that-includes-west-bank-and-gaza-at-un-speech
Netanyahu brandishes map of Israel that includes ... - The Times of Israel
Sep 22, 2023Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu uses a red marker on a map of 'The New Middle East' as he addresses the 78th session of the United Nations General Assembly, September 22, 2023.
https://www.jpost.com israel-news politics-and-diplomacy article-760189
Netanyahu under fire for using Greater Land of Israel map at UN
Sep 22, 2023Netanyahu under fire for using Greater Land of Israel map at UN Netanyahu used the map to illustrate a new era of peace in the Middle East that would include the Palestinians, but critics say he ...
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com 20200428-greater-israel-is-the-objective-as-netanyahu-plans-to-wipe-palestine-off-the-map
Greater Israel is the objective as Netanyahu plans to wipe Palestine ...
US President Donald Trump and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu participate in a joint statement in the East Room of the White House on 28 January 2020 in Washington, DC.
If the Israelis drive all Palestinians from Gaza, shouldn't Gaza revert to Egypt?
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So should we conclude the Israeli government and Hamas are as bad as each other?
muriel_volestrangler
Nov 2023
#6
You do, sir. Respectfully, you are wrong. The two issues are independent and not the same or equal ...
marble falls
Nov 2023
#78
+1. According to Hamas, all dead Hamas soldiers were civilians, and all dead Israeli civilians were soldiers.
dalton99a
Nov 2023
#86
Mehdi also says 2100 and 2400 are the same - so maybe not the best source for accuracy.
AZSkiffyGeek
Nov 2023
#16
Are you saying that the Israeli government made an official announcement that no civilians have been killed?
yardwork
Nov 2023
#53
So irrelevant. It's a war. Gaza has lost and needs to offer terms of surrender. That's how war works.
elias7
Nov 2023
#12
What he means, is that he doesn't know if they were burned to death, crushed in their homes, or vaporized in explosions.
Chainfire
Nov 2023
#14
RainWalker - to expect an actual discussion here anymore is sort of self defeating. But thanks for trying.
Nanjeanne
Nov 2023
#30
Why do Gaza deaths not count? Why do Palestinian deaths count less or not at all?
obamanut2012
Nov 2023
#67
This is a difficult situation and everyone has an emotional reaction. Unfortunately those who
Nanjeanne
Nov 2023
#74
If only we had a place here for discussion without the endless hordes of dismissive sound bites.
Nanjeanne
Nov 2023
#91
Yes, because an unprovoked attack should always be done at the right time
SouthernDem4ever
Nov 2023
#73
Sounds like some of our republicans politicians when we have a school shooting.
republianmushroom
Nov 2023
#87