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Jedi Guy

(3,490 posts)
74. These poll results from this year might be of interest to you. Emphasis mine.
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 06:58 PM
Nov 2023
Only 28% support the two-state solution
71% support the formation of armed groups
53% support a return to an armed intifada, 47% support waging peaceful resistance, and 26% support a one-state solution
52% believe that armed action is the best way to end occupation

When three out of four Palestinians don't support a two-state solution, what do they support, do you suppose? With a clear majority supporting the formation of armed groups and slim majorities supporting violence, what inferences do you draw from that regarding their feelings on Israel's right to exist?

Again, as long as the Palestinians have their hearts set on returning to how things were before the formation of Israel, there can be no meaningful negotiations. Israel can't be expected to sit down at the table and start the discussion with, "Is it okay if we exist?"

If a two-state solution is ever to come to fruition, both sides are going to have to accept that 1) they're not going to get everything they want, and 2) they might have to give up some of what they have.

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Says WHO? ! mactire Nov 2023 #1
says Israel. Takket Nov 2023 #2
Or until every last Palestinian LuvLoogie Nov 2023 #5
Graveyard of children. AloeVera Nov 2023 #14
The IDF will not kill or expel 2.3 million people from Gaza. maxsolomon Nov 2023 #42
Doesn't that kind of depend on who's in charge? LuvLoogie Nov 2023 #44
No, it doesn't depend on who is in charge. maxsolomon Nov 2023 #45
My hypotheticals are the ramifications of the OP. LuvLoogie Nov 2023 #52
I remember when most here were against wars krawhitham Nov 2023 #66
Really? Were you here after 9/11? maxsolomon Nov 2023 #84
Who said they would? I'm advocating negotiations for a Palestinian state. brush Nov 2023 #59
Post 5. maxsolomon Nov 2023 #85
+1000 GuppyGal Nov 2023 #61
Fuckin right. Hamas started this ridiculous war OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2023 #7
Are you saying you think the illegal West Bank settlements are ok? electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #13
Post removed Post removed Nov 2023 #15
Hmm... I ask a serious question, and you give me (imo) a rather snarky eff off answer? electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #20
It's not dialog. It's pot stirring and antagonistic. Marcus IM Nov 2023 #47
Well, I meant a dialogue w the OP on asking my question, but I get what you're saying electric_blue68 Nov 2023 #50
Majority of Americans are now against this war womanofthehills Nov 2023 #30
I am a parent... of a 22 year old woman lapfog_1 Nov 2023 #32
I would suggest that Israel doesn't much care what the majority of Americans thinks. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #53
Many Israelis are US citizens or are eligible to be citizens here. LeftInTX Nov 2023 #68
10% of nearly 9.4 million doesn't strike me as "many." Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #70
It doesn't matter what we think LeftInTX Nov 2023 #67
Instead of bombing, now that retaliation has been achieved, maybe... brush Nov 2023 #51
A two-state solution would indeed be ideal, except for one tiny problem. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #55
After the devastation that has happened in Gaza you really think the Muslims/Arabs... brush Nov 2023 #57
Yes, I really think the Palestinians will continue to want it all. I see little likelihood of change there. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #58
You seem to be the one who is inflexible in their position and... brush Nov 2023 #60
How do you figure that, pray tell? Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #63
After the near total destruction of Gaza, and continued bombings... brush Nov 2023 #64
After 75 years of continued violence... Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #71
Show me were that comes from Gazans being bombed and herded south. Sounds like something from demonstrators... brush Nov 2023 #73
These poll results from this year might be of interest to you. Emphasis mine. Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #74
Yeah, sure, people being bombed and herded south have time to be polled. brush Nov 2023 #75
"Come up with something better, dude." Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #80
It confirms what you want to believe. brush Nov 2023 #82
Actually, there is another tiny little problem. Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #65
Well... Jedi Guy Nov 2023 #72
How very claudette Nov 2023 #77
If they observe the rules of engagement and make every effort to... brush Nov 2023 #81
Says Hamas. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #17
Probably not. History says otherwise. RockRaven Nov 2023 #3
Israel previously stated that 'this war' might last "ten years".... DemocraticPatriot Nov 2023 #4
The US must cut aid to that fascist government David__77 Nov 2023 #6
We also have to cut JustAnotherGen Nov 2023 #8
The fucking billionaires shorting Israel, should pay. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2023 #10
On the contrary TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #16
Aid to Israel enid602 Nov 2023 #28
Are you kidding? Kennah Nov 2023 #34
Evangelicals enid602 Nov 2023 #35
As I say, they both love and hate Jews Kennah Nov 2023 #36
Allies enid602 Nov 2023 #39
No more strange than the US and the Soviets during WWII Kennah Nov 2023 #41
Very true enid602 Nov 2023 #46
Those fucking evangelicals would love it. Israel comes first to them over our country Autumn Nov 2023 #37
They have real elections in Israel. Mosby Nov 2023 #54
"aid to that fascist government" Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2023 #86
You think Netanyahu is not a fascist? David__77 Nov 2023 #87
You said "aid to that fascist government" Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2023 #89
I said what I meant. I think the government has a fascist character. David__77 Nov 2023 #90
This tactic, even if it gets rid of Hamas, Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2023 #9
Hamas certainly doesn't think so. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #18
How many times has there been a better way SouthernDem4ever Nov 2023 #22
ok, what is that better way? lapfog_1 Nov 2023 #33
Hezbollah is launching rockets from S. Lebanon. maxsolomon Nov 2023 #43
Hamas is also. I know..but they are also in Lebanon LeftInTX Nov 2023 #69
How long to subdue an area about twice the size of Washington, DC? Sneederbunk Nov 2023 #11
The what happens is on them. Eko Nov 2023 #12
Yes. AloeVera Nov 2023 #19
Also global warming, Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #21
You would find all this funny, of course. AloeVera Nov 2023 #24
Not funny. Just bitterly sarcastic. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #26
Yes... The Butcher's Bill Will Be Interesting Reading AndyJaque Nov 2023 #31
..... Skittles Nov 2023 #23
Holy fucking shit FHRRK Nov 2023 #25
Is this a spoof thread? Mossfern Nov 2023 #27
Apparently Not AndyJaque Nov 2023 #38
The hatred between Israeli's and Arabs cannot be stopped unless both sides decide to stop it. patphil Nov 2023 #29
The hatred claudette Nov 2023 #78
Yup, and not before. republianmushroom Nov 2023 #40
There are no white hats in this conflict, only a terrorist hat and a retribution hat. elocs Nov 2023 #48
It actually follows along with History GuppyGal Nov 2023 #62
Israel understands it must deal with the 'costs' Model35mech Nov 2023 #49
It seems to me that claudette Nov 2023 #79
Yes. It's difficult when the 'ends' justifies the 'means' Model35mech Nov 2023 #83
Absolutely. David__77 Nov 2023 #88
Netanyahu doesn't want it to end, as long as it keeps him in power. n/t AntiFascist Nov 2023 #56
When? claudette Nov 2023 #76
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