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W_HAMILTON

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13. Their political leaders started it.

Thu Nov 23, 2023, 04:59 PM

Nov 2023

And if it were me, I would vote for political leaders that did not engage in such provocative attacks that resulted in starting a war with a country with much stronger military capabilities.

I don't need it spelled out to me. You need it spelled out to you. This is war, and it is not a war Israel started.

And if Israel should be held accountable for the actions of its leader (Netanyahu), why do you not hold Gaza to the same standards? Especially given that Hamas/Gaza were the instigators and aggressors here -- NOT Netanyahu/Israel. Those ten thousand or so Gazan deaths, they would be alive today had Hamas not launched its attack in early October.

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John Kirby on genocide. [View all] lapucelle Nov 2023 OP

Admiral Kirby is the best adminstration spokesperson Tomconroy Nov 2023 #1

I'm glad he's trying to correct the record on the claims being made against Israel lapucelle Nov 2023 #2

Hamas attacked and murderer Israelis men, women and children. They were the Demsrule86 Nov 2023 #3

Rec.. TY TomConroy. Cha Nov 2023 #15

I got to hear Admiral Kirby on a Jewish Democrats for Biden zoom call on Wednesday LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #65

I find it outrageous that the people who were victims of legit genocide are now being accused of it when GuppyGal Nov 2023 #4

I like this guy at the Macy's parade today womanofthehills Nov 2023 #19

Not only does that video looks staged, but it's also a pretty odd take on the question of genocide, lapucelle Nov 2023 #28

Oh that's right it's Israel's Declaration of Independence that they want to wipe out Palestinians . GuppyGal Nov 2023 #33

+1 betsuni Nov 2023 #36

Try Genocide BIBI peppertree Nov 2023 #5

As John Kirby righfully notes, there is no genocide on Israel's part. lapucelle Nov 2023 #6

Here is Kirby saying when these things are done to Ukraine it's depravity womanofthehills Nov 2023 #20

Russia Invaded Ukraine.. HAMAS Invaded Israel.. Fuck HAMAS & Russia. Cha Nov 2023 #24

Israel is NOT committing genocide LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #7

Yea they are womanofthehills Nov 2023 #21

NO Israel is NOT. Cha Nov 2023 #23

why don't you just stop that crap NoRethugFriends Nov 2023 #26

Rec 💙🌊🇺🇸 Cha Nov 2023 #27

Both you and your source are wrong LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #47

Uhm, it is genocide NotVeryImportant Nov 2023 #8

No it Isn't and Fuck OFF to anyone who's calling Pres Biden "Genocide Joe". Cha Nov 2023 #9

If it's genocide, they're doing a pretty shit job of it. W_HAMILTON Nov 2023 #10

Would you accept some flippant dismissal of a military killing your family due to a "war?" NotVeryImportant Nov 2023 #12

Their political leaders started it. W_HAMILTON Nov 2023 #13

Nobody is buying this genocidal BS. NotVeryImportant Nov 2023 #14

It's WAR and GD Hamas Started this Ugly SHIT.. & HAMAS doesn't give a shit about Palestinians. Cha Nov 2023 #16

It doesn't matter what random people on the internet wrongly think it is or if they are """buying it""" or not. W_HAMILTON Nov 2023 #41

If Hamas is holding the Palestinian people in Gaza as "human shields," de facto Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #17

Hamas's use of civilians as human shields is not kidnapping lapucelle Nov 2023 #34

Yes, that's the point of my post, words do have meaning Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #35

Actually, no, human shields are not de facto "hostages". lapucelle Nov 2023 #38

Your post argues against itself and de facto they are the same. Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #40

Nor were they "seized by an abduction". lapucelle Nov 2023 #42

If a kidnapped pregnant woman gave birth while she was abducted, Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #43

you lose. Cha Nov 2023 #58

That's the way I see the children of Gaza and they're the ones that are losing. n/t Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #59

The Fucking Terrorist org Hamas of Gaza made Sure of That when Cha Nov 2023 #60

I have never been of the belief that one stupid piece of evil justifies another. Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #61

You're WRONG.. Israel is NOT "evil" They're Cha Nov 2023 #62

Maybe I wasn't clear but I meant the acts as being stupid pieces of evil; Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #63

And then there's this bewildering paragraph. lapucelle Nov 2023 #64

So the Gazan people support Israel overthrowing the Hamas leadership that led them into this war then? W_HAMILTON Nov 2023 #44

I believe the Palestinian people would be much more likely to if they weren't bombed to hell. Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #45

They hadn't been """bombed to hell""" until Hamas started its war. W_HAMILTON Nov 2023 #49

As I stated from my previous post Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #52

P.S. Here is the video post that I was speaking of regarding the hybrid model. Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #56

There's this.. Survey finds majority in the West Bank support the Oct 7 massacre Cha Nov 2023 #46

Yep, I've seen that. W_HAMILTON Nov 2023 #50

and then there's this.... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #53

about your claim of vwidespread support of hamas... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #54

Hope you didn't get a crick in your neck mcar Nov 2023 #66

How different is that from Dresden civilian survivors speaking out about the bombing of their city? Kennah Nov 2023 #67

Is every war where civilians are killed "genocide" or only when Israel does it? EX500rider Nov 2023 #71

Sure... NotVeryImportant Nov 2023 #72

So you think Hamas does not use human shields? EX500rider Nov 2023 #73

Are you going to find another instance of military and/or police force flippantly using the term "human shields" NotVeryImportant Nov 2023 #75

Well gosh maybe the Palestinian terrorists are the only ones who do that EX500rider Nov 2023 #77

It's the IDF, or should I say the Israeli Offense Department, and their local police forces who NotVeryImportant Nov 2023 #81

No lying at my end EX500rider Nov 2023 #82

No one is forcing the Israeli's to bomb these innocent civilians to death. NotVeryImportant Nov 2023 #83

When the IDF tells you to move South before they bomb EX500rider Nov 2023 #84

No sooner than the citizens moved south NotVeryImportant Nov 2023 #85

No I don't think Hamas has been bombing the South your mistaken EX500rider Nov 2023 #86

Uhm...no it's not. Cenk Uygur? Isn't he the asshat who denies the Armenian genocide lapucelle Nov 2023 #11

I don't watch Armenian genocide denier Cenk Uygur's Youtube channel. lapucelle Nov 2023 #30

Kick for Reality. Cha Nov 2023 #18

Rec for "Kick for Reality". lapucelle Nov 2023 #29

Never ending Struggle to Cha Nov 2023 #31

Recommend. sheshe2 Nov 2023 #22

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Nov 2023 #25

K&R betsuni Nov 2023 #32

But wait! Patton French Nov 2023 #37

I want to say I'm shocked but EllieBC Nov 2023 #39

Never mind.. I think I misunderstood. Cha Nov 2023 #48

I think EllieBC Nov 2023 #55

Yes, There's an OP "justifying Terrorism" Cha Nov 2023 #57

Yes, there was a poster who said Hamas is fighting for human rights. Patton French Nov 2023 #74

Sorry.. what do you mean? ETA... Never mind Cha Nov 2023 #51

Kicking 💙🌊🇺🇸🕯️🕊️ Cha Nov 2023 #68

Same story, different day.. Butterflylady Nov 2023 #69

Thank you for affirming that Israel is not engaging in genocide. lapucelle Nov 2023 #70

spokesperson enid602 Nov 2023 #76

Yes, I do think that John Kirby is saying what he's really thinking. lapucelle Nov 2023 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author BootinUp Nov 2023 #79

The sooner Hamas' existence is rid from this world, the better! Initech Nov 2023 #80