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LeftInTX

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178. Your posts have been balanced..

Sat Nov 25, 2023, 01:26 PM

Nov 2023

I don't trust either side in this war.
It needs to be looked at objectively.
Palestinians have a had a horribly raw deal in violation of human rights imposed by Israel since 1967
However, Hamas running the show is also a violation of human rights.

Much work needs to be done.
I hope this is a wake up call for Israel.
However, I don't feel that the Oct 7th attacks had anything to do with Israel's treatment of Palestinians.

I feel that Hamas is the result of it and everything should have been done to prevent a group like Hamas from controlling the lives of Gazans.

Israel chose to disengage from Gaza. This created a destabilizing situation. (They disengaged because Israeli settlers were subject to terrorist attacks and it was becoming a hassle for Israel. The Israeli population wasn't very large)

I hate to say it, but the occupation of Gaza may have prevented Hamas from taking over. Instead of just walking away, lsrael should have gradually supported/implemented a two-state solution, but never did. It should have facilitated a transitional govt. (We have implemented similar programs in post-war Japan and Germany) I support a two-state solution, but a change will need to come gradually or it will become another ISIS.

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I'm not sure I like it here any more. [View all] cilla4progress Nov 2023 OP

Israel/Palestine been a difficult issue @ DU for some time. elleng Nov 2023 #1

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2023 #6

I don't know why. elleng Nov 2023 #7

Ceasefire NOW LiberaBlueDem Nov 2023 #232

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Nov 2023 #15

Israel/Palestine group still exists. Angleae Nov 2023 #161

Thanks elleng Nov 2023 #189

We can be reunited sunflowerseed Nov 2023 #2

Geez. Nobody ever thought of that. NoRethugFriends Nov 2023 #4

Geez. KPN Nov 2023 #12

Case in point. nt Disaffected Nov 2023 #18

+100 KS Toronado Nov 2023 #154

Obviously one goal of HAMAS is to create global division. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #3

+1. Mass murderers and rapists are viewed as blameless victims dalton99a Nov 2023 #10

By whom? Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #16

I would not have expected MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #33

This. onecaliberal Nov 2023 #92

My post is not about Hamas. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #109

That right there... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #45

Don't let people divide you. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #106

Excellent advice, thank you... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #108

There are serious attempts to divide us right now. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #110

I have seen a lot of accusations that people are defending Hamas, but no posts to that effect. Chainfire Nov 2023 #67

It's a devastating revelation to me. onecaliberal Nov 2023 #93

Yes extremely brilliant war propaganda. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #107

or, at the very least, tolerated... wyldwolf Nov 2023 #186

Really? Diraven Nov 2023 #42

No one said that. ShazzieB Nov 2023 #72

Educate yourself. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #119

+1 million Arazi Nov 2023 #171

I note you are a new poster here. cilla4progress Nov 2023 #179

So, what is your definition of a new poster? Abolishinist Nov 2023 #185

Oh, and by the way, this so-called "new poster" Abolishinist Nov 2023 #233

I smell Putin and other autocrats behind this. ananda Nov 2023 #44

Some of us here on DU smelled a rat and a set up. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #49

Same here. ananda Nov 2023 #69

Yes some devious traps have been thrown on Biden. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #113

I visited that area when I was in Ireland Tree Lady Nov 2023 #144

That is so cool. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #213

That is way cool! ananda Nov 2023 #188

Same reason they all came. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #214

Exactly. ananda Nov 2023 #218

I agree. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #222

Wow. ananda Nov 2023 #231

He surrounds himself with capable advisors who provide him with reliable information. ariadne0614 Nov 2023 #103

Exactly. My favorite part of Joe of course is his clear Irish side. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #116

Plus, he's a Scorpio. Don't mess with Scorpios. ariadne0614 Nov 2023 #120

Ouch, he is double trouble if you push him too far. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #124

You can see it when he narrows his eyes. ariadne0614 Nov 2023 #129

Yes that is the really scary part. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #132

LOL...I thought it was age related... LeftInTX Nov 2023 #160

That's true! Goddessartist Nov 2023 #140

I don't think that Putin has any control over Hamas totodeinhere Nov 2023 #50

I guess you missed the reporting of Hamas leaders meeting several times with Bev54 Nov 2023 #59

I missed that reporting, too. ShazzieB Nov 2023 #80

It is a sign of the pure genius of the operation that people can't see the facts. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #130

Why wouldn't he? yardwork Nov 2023 #79

Someone does. They could not have pulled off this operation without help. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #126

Putin loves the international attention focused away from the Ukraine disaster. rubbersole Nov 2023 #96

I see it very clearly. yardwork Nov 2023 #76

I know, I don't understand why people can't see it. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #122

It was inevitable. yardwork Nov 2023 #153

Yes of course. Putin is at war with the US. And he will use any tactics possible to win. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #216

Not in possession of that power treestar Nov 2023 #77

CIA says only a few countries could have organized and funded this operation. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #131

China treestar Nov 2023 #167

Yes indeed. But which country has its fingerprints all over it? Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #215

Both are in cahoots with Russia right now. yardwork Nov 2023 #220

Wasn't that bin Laden's ultimate objective when al qaeda brought down the Twin Towers? sop Nov 2023 #138

There is a level of ugliness I haven't seen here before for sure. KPN Nov 2023 #5

Still not as bad as 2016, in my opinion. Paladin Nov 2023 #17

I think its definitely worse womanofthehills Nov 2023 #53

Bloodthirsty would be more accurate. sop Nov 2023 #139

Agree. I've never seen it quite like this. Goddessartist Nov 2023 #141

I agree but I think it's because Tree Lady Nov 2023 #145

I've been here since 2001--lots of divisive times, especially during primaries, but hlthe2b Nov 2023 #20

It's the accusation based on inference and extrapolation that bugs me Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #51

I don't know what it will take, but the slinging of accusations back and forth among DUers hlthe2b Nov 2023 #71

One of the things that bother me tom_kelly Nov 2023 #86

That catches the essence of it Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #88

I use "so, you're saying..." Think. Again. Nov 2023 #114

Asking for clarification seems less confrontational to me. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #147

Yep, I do that too... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #194

The one that surprises me is ending some horrible accusation with "Not surprised, though" Prairie Gates Nov 2023 #137

Personally, as this situation Texasgal Nov 2023 #87

I have struggled with that same thought but there is something about seeing some comments hlthe2b Nov 2023 #100

Staying quiet does have its benefits ... and costs. I think of how much has become KPN Nov 2023 #168

It's Russian and Korean and unaffiliated trolls Easterncedar Nov 2023 #83

Trolls do take advantage of cracks in the wall. But there's also much more to this specific division than KPN Nov 2023 #169

Yes indeed. But we need to hold together Easterncedar Nov 2023 #191

You're right claudette Nov 2023 #102

It's always been there in the I/P forum. It's just that it's now a huge global story, and so Crunchy Frog Nov 2023 #112

I hear you, Cilla Hekate Nov 2023 #8

Right there with you. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #9

We would all like it to be a refuge, where people marybourg Nov 2023 #52

I don't know. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #65

Just when the GOP is imploding, leave it to the Left to fracture and pull itself apart. elocs Nov 2023 #11

+1. I feel the same way Pathwalker Nov 2023 #13

Indeed. Too many ridged and polarized Disaffected Nov 2023 #14

It doesn't feel like a community. cilla4progress Nov 2023 #19

There are plenty of subtle and not so subtle troll posts lately. hadEnuf Nov 2023 #36

Lots of people who joined in October in Bettie Nov 2023 #125

I just "trash" every thread that discusses the issue, so I won't be BComplex Nov 2023 #21

i don't trash those threads, but i don't post on them--don't want to get my ass kicked orleans Nov 2023 #26

I've noticed that, too. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #39

I'm sure it's the fighting, not the formatting womanofthehills Nov 2023 #57

I've put a whole lot of people on ignore, and I almost never post on the subject. Crunchy Frog Nov 2023 #123

I have noticed that also less posts Tree Lady Nov 2023 #149

Networks call people held by Istael "prisoners" but those held by Hamas "hostages". twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #22

Israel arrested those people for criminal acts. former9thward Nov 2023 #24

They were women and teenagers according to NBC. Thanks for you comment but I twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #29

Women don't commit terrorist acts? former9thward Nov 2023 #31

18 year olds with lots of weapon and incendiary device charges. LeftInTX Nov 2023 #62

You seem to believe the news more than I. twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #104

It's not news, it's a list from the Israeli govt of prisoners to be released. LeftInTX Nov 2023 #158

All your words not mine. twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #170

So if you don't like it, "fake news?" Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #166

Name calling becomes you. twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #172

I didn't call you a name... Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #174

Where have I heard that before? twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #175

In One Of Your Prior Posts? ProfessorGAC Nov 2023 #200

My point is that the news is slanted. If you choose to believe otherwise so be it. Condescending comments are always up twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #202

3000 of the 8300 are being held under an administrative detention - Ms. Toad Nov 2023 #196

Here is the actual list of 300 to be released from the Govt of Israel. Prison ID's, date of arrest and everything. LeftInTX Nov 2023 #198

3,000 Palestinians are held in 'Administrative Detention' duhneece Nov 2023 #136

Anyone taken by Hamas on the 7th FHRRK Nov 2023 #25

Yup MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #41

Sorry, i dont understand this comment. ShazzieB Nov 2023 #70

Um. you do realize Israel has free and fair elections. paleotn Nov 2023 #142

Yes, Hamas does do that EX500rider Nov 2023 #150

So does Lebanon LeftInTX Nov 2023 #165

The Establishment Western media does this NotVeryImportant Nov 2023 #68

Thanks so much. You should come here more often. Peace to all. twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #105

Not even al-jazeera calls Palestinian prisoners "hostages" LeftInTX Nov 2023 #173

Unfortunately SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2023 #23

I spend a lot less time on DU than I used to. Biophilic Nov 2023 #27

Everyone has a right to their opinion - not a big deal. walkingman Nov 2023 #28

It cannot be allowed to become an overarching issue that smothers our freedoms and civil rights issues bucolic_frolic Nov 2023 #30

It's been a shock, all right. Basic LA Nov 2023 #32

We have to push through anyway. Ruth Marcus wrote today about how even her Jewish family pnwmom Nov 2023 #34

Thank you for this, pnwmom! Goddessartist Nov 2023 #146

Cooler heads will prevail over time BaronChocula Nov 2023 #35

My life here is less contentious Arthur_Frain Nov 2023 #37

I agree wholeheartedly SpankMe Nov 2023 #38

I put a handful on ignore... demmiblue Nov 2023 #40

If we are divided, it is because it is not a black and white situation. crim son Nov 2023 #43

In asking "what hope is there for the world?" you've probably asked what most of us are thinking Kennah Nov 2023 #46

i'm laying low. barbtries Nov 2023 #47

I've always appreciated your posts. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #64

I'm feeling the same way. The Hamas/Israeli war is so obviously... brush Nov 2023 #48

I think that you just called anyone's OBJECTIONS to Israel's POLITICAL motiviations "anti-Semitism". TeamProg Nov 2023 #66

I have no idea how you come to that conclusion. brush Nov 2023 #84

There is a major difference between... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #118

Define anti-Semitism and Islamophobia however you want. I'm still against discrimination against both Muslims and Jews. brush Nov 2023 #164

If I misread your post, I apologize... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #195

I don't see how you made that mistake (I wanted it clear my feelings on Hamas) but your apology is accepted. brush Nov 2023 #210

Your posts have been balanced.. LeftInTX Nov 2023 #178

Auto-trash by keyword is my friend. hunter Nov 2023 #54

It absolutely breaks my heart. I am shocked by some of the extremist cant from both ends. marble falls Nov 2023 #55

"They've" ??? Who are "they"? We? We all have our differences. It's how settle them that makes us TeamProg Nov 2023 #56

Member for awhile never commented CommonOkie Nov 2023 #58

At least the flood of astroturfing is fun Sympthsical Nov 2023 #60

Well-spotted Hekate Nov 2023 #99

Doctor's - get it right AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #155

Edited, sorry Sympthsical Nov 2023 #156

THANK YOU MIRT.... I'm seeing a lot of Cha Nov 2023 #61

Seems to me there are many members Enoki33 Nov 2023 #63

I have a VERY long block list. usonian Nov 2023 #73

Intolerant Religions lildDemz Nov 2023 #74

Some issues are not liberal b conservative. treestar Nov 2023 #75

In all honesty my impression is that moniss Nov 2023 #78

Who is the "they" who have contrived an issue to divide us? brooklynite Nov 2023 #81

I was about to ask the same. Abolishinist Nov 2023 #90

I was wondering who "they" are too. nt Raine Nov 2023 #97

This is one of those really trying times, with emotions and opinions running really hot. NewHendoLib Nov 2023 #82

Yep. It feels a lil different now. FM123 Nov 2023 #85

I, for one, still love you all. Really. SYFROYH Nov 2023 #89

I've noped out of most of those threads pretty quickly Warpy Nov 2023 #91

I hear ya. NT Patton French Nov 2023 #94

Because this is a robust community Patton French Nov 2023 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Nov 2023 #98

A very thoughtful post moniss Nov 2023 #128

This. RainWalker Nov 2023 #133

Yes! Goddessartist Nov 2023 #148

That's not the only issue here claudette Nov 2023 #101

Time for a cease fire. Earth-shine Nov 2023 #111

it's a surprise, cuz it's been kept in it's own forum. this has always been here. mopinko Nov 2023 #115

I have Jewish friends, I have Palestinian friends Marthe48 Nov 2023 #117

It is certainly the most divisive subject that I've ever seen here... Ferrets are Cool Nov 2023 #121

You think DU is a bellwether for world peace? NCIndie Nov 2023 #127

Can't get involved. We have our own problems, and the burden of World problems is staggering 634-5789 Nov 2023 #134

I have not been able to tune in lately for various reasons, peacebuzzard Nov 2023 #135

Issues from that nexus tends to always divide. Hang in there. nt Trueblue Texan Nov 2023 #143

DU is not the center of the nation nor the universe. Marcus IM Nov 2023 #151

No...it won't. CincyDem Nov 2023 #157

Don't take it so seriously. The issues are alienating Firestorm49 Nov 2023 #152

I think most on DU agree SCantiGOP Nov 2023 #159

Driving division mamacita75 Nov 2023 #162

surely you recall during Bush Regime this topic was quite prominent in terms of posts and division. msfiddlestix Nov 2023 #163

Maybe They Should Bring Back The "Ask The Administrators Forum" ? Jacob2 Nov 2023 #176

It seems to be a religious war. Am I wrong? You can tell me and insult me if you like. twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #177

Is it because of all the latent antisemites? BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #180

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2023 #181

keep an eye on the prize..the destruction of trump and all things gop dembotoz Nov 2023 #182

Too many have bought into the nonsense that Biden/US/DC Dems have advocated for genocide which is bullshit LonePirate Nov 2023 #183

This message was self-deleted by its author BootinUp Nov 2023 #190

If a nation, all of its people, can be defined by the soldierant Nov 2023 #184

This message was self-deleted by its author BootinUp Nov 2023 #187

Some posters are getting VERY sensitive about everything posted here. Someone tried to give me a hard time for the term SoFlaBro Nov 2023 #192

I bet the person was lily white too, cuz I'm Armenian and we are sweaty, but wouldn't consider it racist LeftInTX Nov 2023 #207

Armenians are sweaty? I've seen sweaty Canadians playing hockey. Sweaty IRA bombers. Sweaty black guys laying asphalt. SoFlaBro Nov 2023 #212

It's generally about smelly armpits. Everyone sweats, but those with hairier armpits seem to have more types of glands LeftInTX Nov 2023 #223

What's dividing liberals in my VERY liberal city moreland01 Nov 2023 #193

I'm not divided, because it ALL makes me sick Skittles Nov 2023 #197

Its not the first harmful division here quakerboy Nov 2023 #199

Don't worry, whichever side succeeds in removing the most posts Azathoth Nov 2023 #201

+1. dalton99a Nov 2023 #219

THEY have come up with a way? Silent3 Nov 2023 #203

Except that our tax dollars are funding a good chunk of it LeftInTX Nov 2023 #206

And so? Silent3 Nov 2023 #208

That's likely why there have been so many protests involving the war and why the protests have spread here LeftInTX Nov 2023 #209

You seem to be missing the point. Silent3 Nov 2023 #211

Agree. Bickering on DU is pretty much our own doing. LeftInTX Nov 2023 #224

You extrapolated "express purpose" cilla4progress Nov 2023 #226

Part of whose intention? Silent3 Nov 2023 #229

So, October 7th was nothing? cilla4progress Nov 2023 #230

I'm not so sure.. cilla4progress Nov 2023 #225

Climate change will eventually grab our attention and we may finally rally around a common cause... KewlKat Nov 2023 #204

I won't be divided Leith Nov 2023 #205

To me, when any group is divided in opinion its Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2023 #217

It's pretty bad Prairie Gates Nov 2023 #221

Some of us actually see both sides of this issue. LakeArenal Nov 2023 #227

👇👇👇👁️👁️ Goonch Nov 2023 #228