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Irish_Dem

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215. Yes indeed. But which country has its fingerprints all over it?

Sun Nov 26, 2023, 07:46 AM

Nov 2023

Look at the attack, the war, the propaganda, it tells us the answer.

Which country is desperate to divide the US?
To drag the US into another conflict?
To stop funding for the Ukraine War?

Which leader wants to accuse the western democracies of committing all the
same crimes he is committing?

To make a very big issue about the morality of a democracy fighting a war?
And to showcase a democratic country as evil, killing women and children.
To make sure the rape, torture of women and children is the first thing that comes out
to the public? Knowing it will certainly press Joe Biden's buttons and hoping Joe will overreact?

It is Russian, and Iran is also helping.
China I am not sure about. They are in shock about how badly Putin's invasion went.
And they are overwhelmed right now with internal problems.

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I'm not sure I like it here any more. [View all] cilla4progress Nov 2023 OP

Israel/Palestine been a difficult issue @ DU for some time. elleng Nov 2023 #1

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2023 #6

I don't know why. elleng Nov 2023 #7

Ceasefire NOW LiberaBlueDem Nov 2023 #232

This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Nov 2023 #15

Israel/Palestine group still exists. Angleae Nov 2023 #161

Thanks elleng Nov 2023 #189

We can be reunited sunflowerseed Nov 2023 #2

Geez. Nobody ever thought of that. NoRethugFriends Nov 2023 #4

Geez. KPN Nov 2023 #12

Case in point. nt Disaffected Nov 2023 #18

+100 KS Toronado Nov 2023 #154

Obviously one goal of HAMAS is to create global division. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #3

+1. Mass murderers and rapists are viewed as blameless victims dalton99a Nov 2023 #10

By whom? Big Blue Marble Nov 2023 #16

I would not have expected MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #33

This. onecaliberal Nov 2023 #92

My post is not about Hamas. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #109

That right there... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #45

Don't let people divide you. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #106

Excellent advice, thank you... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #108

There are serious attempts to divide us right now. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #110

I have seen a lot of accusations that people are defending Hamas, but no posts to that effect. Chainfire Nov 2023 #67

It's a devastating revelation to me. onecaliberal Nov 2023 #93

Yes extremely brilliant war propaganda. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #107

or, at the very least, tolerated... wyldwolf Nov 2023 #186

Really? Diraven Nov 2023 #42

No one said that. ShazzieB Nov 2023 #72

Educate yourself. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #119

+1 million Arazi Nov 2023 #171

I note you are a new poster here. cilla4progress Nov 2023 #179

So, what is your definition of a new poster? Abolishinist Nov 2023 #185

Oh, and by the way, this so-called "new poster" Abolishinist Nov 2023 #233

I smell Putin and other autocrats behind this. ananda Nov 2023 #44

Some of us here on DU smelled a rat and a set up. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #49

Same here. ananda Nov 2023 #69

Yes some devious traps have been thrown on Biden. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #113

I visited that area when I was in Ireland Tree Lady Nov 2023 #144

That is so cool. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #213

That is way cool! ananda Nov 2023 #188

Same reason they all came. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #214

Exactly. ananda Nov 2023 #218

I agree. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #222

Wow. ananda Nov 2023 #231

He surrounds himself with capable advisors who provide him with reliable information. ariadne0614 Nov 2023 #103

Exactly. My favorite part of Joe of course is his clear Irish side. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #116

Plus, he's a Scorpio. Don't mess with Scorpios. ariadne0614 Nov 2023 #120

Ouch, he is double trouble if you push him too far. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #124

You can see it when he narrows his eyes. ariadne0614 Nov 2023 #129

Yes that is the really scary part. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #132

LOL...I thought it was age related... LeftInTX Nov 2023 #160

That's true! Goddessartist Nov 2023 #140

I don't think that Putin has any control over Hamas totodeinhere Nov 2023 #50

I guess you missed the reporting of Hamas leaders meeting several times with Bev54 Nov 2023 #59

I missed that reporting, too. ShazzieB Nov 2023 #80

It is a sign of the pure genius of the operation that people can't see the facts. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #130

Why wouldn't he? yardwork Nov 2023 #79

Someone does. They could not have pulled off this operation without help. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #126

Putin loves the international attention focused away from the Ukraine disaster. rubbersole Nov 2023 #96

I see it very clearly. yardwork Nov 2023 #76

I know, I don't understand why people can't see it. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #122

It was inevitable. yardwork Nov 2023 #153

Yes of course. Putin is at war with the US. And he will use any tactics possible to win. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #216

Not in possession of that power treestar Nov 2023 #77

CIA says only a few countries could have organized and funded this operation. Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #131

China treestar Nov 2023 #167

Yes indeed. But which country has its fingerprints all over it? Irish_Dem Nov 2023 #215

Both are in cahoots with Russia right now. yardwork Nov 2023 #220

Wasn't that bin Laden's ultimate objective when al qaeda brought down the Twin Towers? sop Nov 2023 #138

There is a level of ugliness I haven't seen here before for sure. KPN Nov 2023 #5

Still not as bad as 2016, in my opinion. Paladin Nov 2023 #17

I think its definitely worse womanofthehills Nov 2023 #53

Bloodthirsty would be more accurate. sop Nov 2023 #139

Agree. I've never seen it quite like this. Goddessartist Nov 2023 #141

I agree but I think it's because Tree Lady Nov 2023 #145

I've been here since 2001--lots of divisive times, especially during primaries, but hlthe2b Nov 2023 #20

It's the accusation based on inference and extrapolation that bugs me Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #51

I don't know what it will take, but the slinging of accusations back and forth among DUers hlthe2b Nov 2023 #71

One of the things that bother me tom_kelly Nov 2023 #86

That catches the essence of it Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #88

I use "so, you're saying..." Think. Again. Nov 2023 #114

Asking for clarification seems less confrontational to me. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2023 #147

Yep, I do that too... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #194

The one that surprises me is ending some horrible accusation with "Not surprised, though" Prairie Gates Nov 2023 #137

Personally, as this situation Texasgal Nov 2023 #87

I have struggled with that same thought but there is something about seeing some comments hlthe2b Nov 2023 #100

Staying quiet does have its benefits ... and costs. I think of how much has become KPN Nov 2023 #168

It's Russian and Korean and unaffiliated trolls Easterncedar Nov 2023 #83

Trolls do take advantage of cracks in the wall. But there's also much more to this specific division than KPN Nov 2023 #169

Yes indeed. But we need to hold together Easterncedar Nov 2023 #191

You're right claudette Nov 2023 #102

It's always been there in the I/P forum. It's just that it's now a huge global story, and so Crunchy Frog Nov 2023 #112

I hear you, Cilla Hekate Nov 2023 #8

Right there with you. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #9

We would all like it to be a refuge, where people marybourg Nov 2023 #52

I don't know. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #65

Just when the GOP is imploding, leave it to the Left to fracture and pull itself apart. elocs Nov 2023 #11

+1. I feel the same way Pathwalker Nov 2023 #13

Indeed. Too many ridged and polarized Disaffected Nov 2023 #14

It doesn't feel like a community. cilla4progress Nov 2023 #19

There are plenty of subtle and not so subtle troll posts lately. hadEnuf Nov 2023 #36

Lots of people who joined in October in Bettie Nov 2023 #125

I just "trash" every thread that discusses the issue, so I won't be BComplex Nov 2023 #21

i don't trash those threads, but i don't post on them--don't want to get my ass kicked orleans Nov 2023 #26

I've noticed that, too. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #39

I'm sure it's the fighting, not the formatting womanofthehills Nov 2023 #57

I've put a whole lot of people on ignore, and I almost never post on the subject. Crunchy Frog Nov 2023 #123

I have noticed that also less posts Tree Lady Nov 2023 #149

Networks call people held by Istael "prisoners" but those held by Hamas "hostages". twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #22

Israel arrested those people for criminal acts. former9thward Nov 2023 #24

They were women and teenagers according to NBC. Thanks for you comment but I twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #29

Women don't commit terrorist acts? former9thward Nov 2023 #31

18 year olds with lots of weapon and incendiary device charges. LeftInTX Nov 2023 #62

You seem to believe the news more than I. twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #104

It's not news, it's a list from the Israeli govt of prisoners to be released. LeftInTX Nov 2023 #158

All your words not mine. twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #170

So if you don't like it, "fake news?" Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #166

Name calling becomes you. twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #172

I didn't call you a name... Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #174

Where have I heard that before? twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #175

In One Of Your Prior Posts? ProfessorGAC Nov 2023 #200

My point is that the news is slanted. If you choose to believe otherwise so be it. Condescending comments are always up twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #202

3000 of the 8300 are being held under an administrative detention - Ms. Toad Nov 2023 #196

Here is the actual list of 300 to be released from the Govt of Israel. Prison ID's, date of arrest and everything. LeftInTX Nov 2023 #198

3,000 Palestinians are held in 'Administrative Detention' duhneece Nov 2023 #136

Anyone taken by Hamas on the 7th FHRRK Nov 2023 #25

Yup MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #41

Sorry, i dont understand this comment. ShazzieB Nov 2023 #70

Um. you do realize Israel has free and fair elections. paleotn Nov 2023 #142

Yes, Hamas does do that EX500rider Nov 2023 #150

So does Lebanon LeftInTX Nov 2023 #165

The Establishment Western media does this NotVeryImportant Nov 2023 #68

Thanks so much. You should come here more often. Peace to all. twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #105

Not even al-jazeera calls Palestinian prisoners "hostages" LeftInTX Nov 2023 #173

Unfortunately SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2023 #23

I spend a lot less time on DU than I used to. Biophilic Nov 2023 #27

Everyone has a right to their opinion - not a big deal. walkingman Nov 2023 #28

It cannot be allowed to become an overarching issue that smothers our freedoms and civil rights issues bucolic_frolic Nov 2023 #30

It's been a shock, all right. Basic LA Nov 2023 #32

We have to push through anyway. Ruth Marcus wrote today about how even her Jewish family pnwmom Nov 2023 #34

Thank you for this, pnwmom! Goddessartist Nov 2023 #146

Cooler heads will prevail over time BaronChocula Nov 2023 #35

My life here is less contentious Arthur_Frain Nov 2023 #37

I agree wholeheartedly SpankMe Nov 2023 #38

I put a handful on ignore... demmiblue Nov 2023 #40

If we are divided, it is because it is not a black and white situation. crim son Nov 2023 #43

In asking "what hope is there for the world?" you've probably asked what most of us are thinking Kennah Nov 2023 #46

i'm laying low. barbtries Nov 2023 #47

I've always appreciated your posts. MorbidButterflyTat Nov 2023 #64

I'm feeling the same way. The Hamas/Israeli war is so obviously... brush Nov 2023 #48

I think that you just called anyone's OBJECTIONS to Israel's POLITICAL motiviations "anti-Semitism". TeamProg Nov 2023 #66

I have no idea how you come to that conclusion. brush Nov 2023 #84

There is a major difference between... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #118

Define anti-Semitism and Islamophobia however you want. I'm still against discrimination against both Muslims and Jews. brush Nov 2023 #164

If I misread your post, I apologize... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #195

I don't see how you made that mistake (I wanted it clear my feelings on Hamas) but your apology is accepted. brush Nov 2023 #210

Your posts have been balanced.. LeftInTX Nov 2023 #178

Auto-trash by keyword is my friend. hunter Nov 2023 #54

It absolutely breaks my heart. I am shocked by some of the extremist cant from both ends. marble falls Nov 2023 #55

"They've" ??? Who are "they"? We? We all have our differences. It's how settle them that makes us TeamProg Nov 2023 #56

Member for awhile never commented CommonOkie Nov 2023 #58

At least the flood of astroturfing is fun Sympthsical Nov 2023 #60

Well-spotted Hekate Nov 2023 #99

Doctor's - get it right AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #155

Edited, sorry Sympthsical Nov 2023 #156

THANK YOU MIRT.... I'm seeing a lot of Cha Nov 2023 #61

Seems to me there are many members Enoki33 Nov 2023 #63

I have a VERY long block list. usonian Nov 2023 #73

Intolerant Religions lildDemz Nov 2023 #74

Some issues are not liberal b conservative. treestar Nov 2023 #75

In all honesty my impression is that moniss Nov 2023 #78

Who is the "they" who have contrived an issue to divide us? brooklynite Nov 2023 #81

I was about to ask the same. Abolishinist Nov 2023 #90

I was wondering who "they" are too. nt Raine Nov 2023 #97

This is one of those really trying times, with emotions and opinions running really hot. NewHendoLib Nov 2023 #82

Yep. It feels a lil different now. FM123 Nov 2023 #85

I, for one, still love you all. Really. SYFROYH Nov 2023 #89

I've noped out of most of those threads pretty quickly Warpy Nov 2023 #91

I hear ya. NT Patton French Nov 2023 #94

Because this is a robust community Patton French Nov 2023 #95

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A very thoughtful post moniss Nov 2023 #128

This. RainWalker Nov 2023 #133

Yes! Goddessartist Nov 2023 #148

That's not the only issue here claudette Nov 2023 #101

Time for a cease fire. Earth-shine Nov 2023 #111

it's a surprise, cuz it's been kept in it's own forum. this has always been here. mopinko Nov 2023 #115

I have Jewish friends, I have Palestinian friends Marthe48 Nov 2023 #117

It is certainly the most divisive subject that I've ever seen here... Ferrets are Cool Nov 2023 #121

You think DU is a bellwether for world peace? NCIndie Nov 2023 #127

Can't get involved. We have our own problems, and the burden of World problems is staggering 634-5789 Nov 2023 #134

I have not been able to tune in lately for various reasons, peacebuzzard Nov 2023 #135

Issues from that nexus tends to always divide. Hang in there. nt Trueblue Texan Nov 2023 #143

DU is not the center of the nation nor the universe. Marcus IM Nov 2023 #151

No...it won't. CincyDem Nov 2023 #157

Don't take it so seriously. The issues are alienating Firestorm49 Nov 2023 #152

I think most on DU agree SCantiGOP Nov 2023 #159

Driving division mamacita75 Nov 2023 #162

surely you recall during Bush Regime this topic was quite prominent in terms of posts and division. msfiddlestix Nov 2023 #163

Maybe They Should Bring Back The "Ask The Administrators Forum" ? Jacob2 Nov 2023 #176

It seems to be a religious war. Am I wrong? You can tell me and insult me if you like. twodogsbarking Nov 2023 #177

Is it because of all the latent antisemites? BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #180

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2023 #181

keep an eye on the prize..the destruction of trump and all things gop dembotoz Nov 2023 #182

Too many have bought into the nonsense that Biden/US/DC Dems have advocated for genocide which is bullshit LonePirate Nov 2023 #183

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If a nation, all of its people, can be defined by the soldierant Nov 2023 #184

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Some posters are getting VERY sensitive about everything posted here. Someone tried to give me a hard time for the term SoFlaBro Nov 2023 #192

I bet the person was lily white too, cuz I'm Armenian and we are sweaty, but wouldn't consider it racist LeftInTX Nov 2023 #207

Armenians are sweaty? I've seen sweaty Canadians playing hockey. Sweaty IRA bombers. Sweaty black guys laying asphalt. SoFlaBro Nov 2023 #212

It's generally about smelly armpits. Everyone sweats, but those with hairier armpits seem to have more types of glands LeftInTX Nov 2023 #223

What's dividing liberals in my VERY liberal city moreland01 Nov 2023 #193

I'm not divided, because it ALL makes me sick Skittles Nov 2023 #197

Its not the first harmful division here quakerboy Nov 2023 #199

Don't worry, whichever side succeeds in removing the most posts Azathoth Nov 2023 #201

+1. dalton99a Nov 2023 #219

THEY have come up with a way? Silent3 Nov 2023 #203

Except that our tax dollars are funding a good chunk of it LeftInTX Nov 2023 #206

And so? Silent3 Nov 2023 #208

That's likely why there have been so many protests involving the war and why the protests have spread here LeftInTX Nov 2023 #209

You seem to be missing the point. Silent3 Nov 2023 #211

Agree. Bickering on DU is pretty much our own doing. LeftInTX Nov 2023 #224

You extrapolated "express purpose" cilla4progress Nov 2023 #226

Part of whose intention? Silent3 Nov 2023 #229

So, October 7th was nothing? cilla4progress Nov 2023 #230

I'm not so sure.. cilla4progress Nov 2023 #225

Climate change will eventually grab our attention and we may finally rally around a common cause... KewlKat Nov 2023 #204

I won't be divided Leith Nov 2023 #205

To me, when any group is divided in opinion its Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2023 #217

It's pretty bad Prairie Gates Nov 2023 #221

Some of us actually see both sides of this issue. LakeArenal Nov 2023 #227

👇👇👇👁️👁️ Goonch Nov 2023 #228