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Celerity

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41. I am a progressive social democrat, I do not know what you mean by 'leftist', as that seems too broad a brush.
Wed Nov 29, 2023, 12:28 PM
Nov 2023

I am not at all far left, I am not a socialist (democratic or otherwise), I am not a communist (of any stripe).

My politics are quite quotidian, solid centre of the left (not left of centre) in a core European/UK sort of way. I am a big believer in the the Nordic model, with a robust (but also fairly highly regulated) private sector working synergistically with an expansive social welfare state to provide as high a standard of living as is possible, along with as high a level of wealth equality as is possible. I am a huge proponent of labour unions as well.

Lots of things left out, but you should get the drift by now. I also do not think the Guardian is nearly as radical left as I understand you to be claiming.

I also fleshed out some of my P/I stances to you in a previous reply (which I hope you saw). I am hardly some bomb-throwing radical on it all. I do not approve of ANY of the pro-Hamas elements that are unfortunately found within the overarching Palestinian side of the protests. I condemned them with all my essence. They are anti-human.

That said, one core to my stances on the P/I situation:

International law and rules of war have disportionate response elements, as does real life global (including the US) public opinion and its attendant political and geo-military realities.

Israel simply does not possess an absolutely free, unfettered hand to do whatever their RW leaders want to the Palestinian people. It just doesn’t, no matter how much or for how long the self-defence banner is waved. At some floating point (one that will be bitterly argued over for sure) it does become comprehensive crimes and genocidal and/or ethnic cleansing adjacent.

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I admit I am still confused... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #1
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I think the answer to your question is best illustrated in the events of last year, Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #33
now THAT makes sense! Think. Again. Nov 2023 #34
I salute you, Think Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #47
Just because some people misuse the term doesn't mean it's lost all meaning. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #2
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"Antisemitism" losing meaning sounds like something antisemites would push. LexVegas Nov 2023 #3
No shit. Cha Nov 2023 #6
A step above the right wing's "Oh, they are just playing the 'Race Card'" nonsense. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #19
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Well said JohnSJ Nov 2023 #27
The Guardian is not . . . great, unfortunately. Sympthsical Nov 2023 #4
Thank you for sharing that. lapucelle Nov 2023 #29
Thank you. betsuni Nov 2023 #36
I love the Guardian. I think it is the best of the major Anglosphere newspapers. nt Celerity Nov 2023 #38
You agree with their politics Sympthsical Nov 2023 #40
I am a progressive social democrat, I do not know what you mean by 'leftist', as that seems too broad a brush. Celerity Nov 2023 #41
I'm not interested in hashing out Gaza to death Sympthsical Nov 2023 #42
agree to disagree Celerity Nov 2023 #46
The Guardian is not a leftist newspaper, it is literally considered Progressive media ie Center-Left obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #44
It quacks Sympthsical Nov 2023 #45
I do, too obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #43
No. It's hasn't " come to be maninless ".. That's Cha Nov 2023 #5
The Arabs are a semitic group, too cyclonefence Nov 2023 #7
You don't get to redefine words. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #8
Neither do you inthewind21 Nov 2023 #10
Hostility towards and discrimination against Jewish people....Oxford English Dictionary. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #12
TY Cha Nov 2023 #16
I cannot believe the shit I see here sometimes. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #18
I know.. Cha Nov 2023 #22
Isn't the word being discussed "anti-Semite"? lapucelle Nov 2023 #28
We all know what anti-Semitism means, this is gaslighting. tritsofme Nov 2023 #11
Yes Cha Nov 2023 #17
But not included in "antisemitism" FBaggins Nov 2023 #13
I'm sick of the gaslighting. madaboutharry Nov 2023 #15
I feel the same about edhopper Nov 2023 #20
So do non BIPOC get to tell BIPOC EllieBC Nov 2023 #21
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Well put. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #25
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"Jews Don't Count" Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #39
Opinion pieces are like assholes, every online newspaper has one. emulatorloo Nov 2023 #30
I've always enjoyed The Guardian. In fact, Abolishinist Nov 2023 #31
Your comment reeks of delegitimization. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #32
In the Original Post, I see that my poor choice of words has indeed indeed given an erroneous impression of my.... MMBeilis Nov 2023 #35
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