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108. Agree, why the heck is President Biden responsible? I don't understand but deep in my heart I do understand. Question

Reply to yardwork (Reply #102)

Wed Nov 29, 2023, 07:24 PM

Nov 2023

for you--is there a forum to discuss these matters? Perhaps it can be looked into and let them have at it.

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You cannot watch what remains of Gaza and not say [View all] malaise Nov 2023 OP

Yes, Hamas committed war crimes, and is committed to the genocide of Jews. I agree completely. tritsofme Nov 2023 #1

No one here... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #6

The first part of your statement sarisataka Nov 2023 #13

That's a strong accusation... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #18

Calling out specific posters would be considered an attack sarisataka Nov 2023 #36

You're right about that!... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #59

It is your lucky day sarisataka Nov 2023 #61

I wouldn't say lucky.... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #62

Try to remember DU is representative of a slice of the population Kennah Nov 2023 #79

But I keep hoping... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #81

I will admit guilt in hoping that as well Kennah Nov 2023 #97

I can see both sides. zanana1 Nov 2023 #163

Can you see in the US - us bombing a US high school womanofthehills Dec 2023 #230

Hamas must be eliminated. I've called for impartiality thru out all this... brush Nov 2023 #83

You mean that's not enough for *HAMAS* Arazi Nov 2023 #129

Pls don't put your extremist right wing spin on my words. Both sides have comminted... brush Nov 2023 #132

So my position is "extremist right wing"? Arazi Nov 2023 #133

You're siding with Netanyahu/Likud. Who do you think they are? brush Nov 2023 #135

Nope. I'm on the Palestinians side Arazi Nov 2023 #138

It's about time you declare yourself. The anti-Hamas drift of your post seemed... brush Nov 2023 #141

So - just HOW is Israel going to eliminate Hamas???" womanofthehills Dec 2023 #233

How should Hamas be eliminated? Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #194

Killing thousand of innocent non-combatants to get the occassional... brush Nov 2023 #201

That's what they're doing... Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #202

No where near as many will die as with mass bombings. brush Nov 2023 #204

The problem that some of us have is that, while we agree that Hamas must be eliminated as the governing Chainfire Nov 2023 #151

As A Matter Of Curiousity, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2023 #156

It is what I am not willing to see that is at issue. I can not abide by 10,000 civilian casualities. Chainfire Nov 2023 #173

You Say, Sir, There Has To Be A Better Way The Magistrate Nov 2023 #177

Rather than killing 10,000 innocent people I would suggest to the government of Israel that they Chainfire Nov 2023 #178

It Is Not A Question Of Budgeting, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2023 #181

I would suggest that you listen to the Sander's speech today. Chainfire Nov 2023 #182

There Are Many Whose Opinions I Rate Far Above Those Of That Gentleman From Vermont The Magistrate Nov 2023 #183

"secure their borders." EX500rider Nov 2023 #196

My position is the air stikes on innocent, non-combatant areas... brush Nov 2023 #174

I agree entirely. Chainfire Nov 2023 #179

My position has been clear on this board since the over-retaliation... brush Nov 2023 #180

Not most posters I believe scipan Nov 2023 #198

This is just my personal opinion, but it appears to me, that the war has been carried out in the most brutal way Chainfire Nov 2023 #212

I'll try to find it and listen to him. Nt scipan Dec 2023 #216

The number of dead Palestinians is closer to 20,000 womanofthehills Dec 2023 #229

You're probably right that there are thousands more dead in the rubble. brush Dec 2023 #232

A 7 yr old girls life in Gaza womanofthehills Nov 2023 #140

But they don;t offer a viable alternative, either. Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #160

They also broke the peace on Oct 7 BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #9

And today hamas killed 3 in Jerusalem jimfields33 Nov 2023 #152

It wasn't Hamas that left babies to die in incubators Alpeduez21 Nov 2023 #23

Propaganda is a helluva drug BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #28

you are so right WhiteTara Nov 2023 #32

You are so right BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #44

And for Israel to bomb and entire population WhiteTara Nov 2023 #49

You Are So Right. Rec. Cha Nov 2023 #74

You wouldn't happen to have a source sarisataka Nov 2023 #40

here. Alpeduez21 Nov 2023 #56

Thank you for those sarisataka Nov 2023 #58

After the ceasefire, there were photos of babies being moved from the hospital to safety. yardwork Nov 2023 #64

I like to compare and contrast sarisataka Nov 2023 #73

Teller report is a questionable source with low credibility. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #128

Yes it was Hamas. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #99

And it wasn't Germany that bombed Dresden, Igel Nov 2023 #100

Using Nuclear Bombs On Cities, Was Wrong. DontBelieveEastisEas Dec 2023 #219

What exactly does Hamas have to do with Israel murdering thousands of innocent people? ColinC Nov 2023 #84

I assumed OP was a condemnation of Hamas, for starting the war tritsofme Nov 2023 #85

No it's for Israel's war on Hamas. LeftInTX Nov 2023 #89

Why the assumption? Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #103

Since it references Gaza, one can infer the OP is referencing the response by Israel. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #134

I did't want to put words in OP's mouth, but since you did, Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #139

Like a lot of things, it's easier to boil things down to bumper sticker slogans. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #145

I keep wondering if this question is some kind of weird joke. yardwork Nov 2023 #87

Mutually exclusive incidents, really. Considering these are not military attacks on military targets ColinC Nov 2023 #149

Take It Up With Linear Time, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2023 #116

Is Hamas a terrorist organization? ColinC Nov 2023 #193

'Terrorism' Is An Odd Word, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2023 #206

If Hamas is not the general civilian population of Gaza ColinC Dec 2023 #223

Tell Me What You Think Israel Should Do The Magistrate Dec 2023 #225

Not the issue actually ColinC Dec 2023 #226

I think you missed The Magistrate's points completely. debm55 Dec 2023 #227

Nope ColinC Dec 2023 #228

Please don't think for me. You count yourself as knowing how I think. and why I think the way I do. You have no idea. -- debm55 Dec 2023 #234

I Did Not Expect He Would, Ma'am The Magistrate Dec 2023 #236

Birds of a feather and whatnot ColinC Dec 2023 #238

"seems to maximize the death of innocent civilians." EX500rider Dec 2023 #239

Strongly agree recovering_democrat Nov 2023 #88

There has been no genocide of Jews, nor will there be. Lonestarblue Nov 2023 #176

Note to general public: LakeArenal Nov 2023 #2

Same went for Germans vs Nazis. NutmegYankee Nov 2023 #8

Are you calling Palestinians or me Nazi sympathizers? LakeArenal Nov 2023 #12

Way to completely miss the point. NutmegYankee Nov 2023 #26

I think you are insulting. LakeArenal Nov 2023 #30

You are entitled to your opinion. NutmegYankee Nov 2023 #33

Not sure how it is "insulting" Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #165

I don't believe that 50% of the population WhiteTara Nov 2023 #34

Considering that speaking out was a death sentence, can you blame them? NutmegYankee Nov 2023 #38

I have no opinion on that. WhiteTara Nov 2023 #46

For the record, Zionism started in the 19th century. NutmegYankee Nov 2023 #52

thanks for that. WhiteTara Nov 2023 #53

I didn't get that from the reply. edisdead Nov 2023 #69

Nor should it have BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #39

Europe did not oppress Germany before the Nazis, bad analogy uponit7771 Nov 2023 #185

The citizens crushed by the Treaty of Versailles would beg to differ. NutmegYankee Nov 2023 #188

Germany's economy was on the upswing way before Hitler attacked Poland. (Link) uponit7771 Nov 2023 #190

The fact is indeed in dispute. NutmegYankee Nov 2023 #214

Treaty or Versailles? Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #195

*NOT* broadly debated that Versailles was oppression, it wasn't seeing the US had already uponit7771 Nov 2023 #208

Glad you are so sure of yourself. Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #215

They are Palestinians, they govern Gaza. They use the civilians and the civilian institutions to hide behind. Darwins_Retriever Nov 2023 #31

You are the PM on Oct 7 Darwins_Retriever Nov 2023 #41

from the river to the sea bottomofthehill Nov 2023 #78

Ignoring Hamas' role in the suffering of Palestinian human beings, on the other hand... Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #105

Hamas f'd around, and has just about had it with finding out getagrip_already Nov 2023 #3

They are not claudette Nov 2023 #7

Send all the hostages home. Easy fix. CincyDem Nov 2023 #10

However claudette Nov 2023 #14

And we all believe everything Bibi says now? CincyDem Nov 2023 #17

It won't claudette Nov 2023 #22

And you know this how? CincyDem Nov 2023 #27

I'm only claudette Nov 2023 #50

Given recent history Bettie Nov 2023 #63

Oh, that is so claudette Nov 2023 #68

Based on my conversations with friends in Israel... CincyDem Nov 2023 #86

I've heard that he's toast more than once Bettie Nov 2023 #92

I think being in charge on the single deadliest day for Jews globally since the Holocaust...and on Israeli ground... CincyDem Nov 2023 #95

Release all hostages and surrender. Pretty easy. tritsofme Nov 2023 #11

What? claudette Nov 2023 #16

But still not waking up to the terrorism of Hamas. CincyDem Nov 2023 #19

Then I guess, as many apparently see it, they can keep "fighting the good fight" tritsofme Nov 2023 #21

Only martyrs get paradise. Their version of god doesn't like quitters. CincyDem Nov 2023 #29

That will stop the bombing. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #113

and agreeing (as the rest of the world does) that Israel stopdiggin Nov 2023 #51

Surrender. Including Freeing the hostages, turning over the perpetrators/planners of the Oct. 7th kelly1mm Nov 2023 #117

I'm with claudette Nov 2023 #4

Who says? BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #5

History of course justaprogressive Nov 2023 #15

Hopefully Hamas will take the lesson BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #20

Jews and Israelis seem to be getting dehumanized just fine in some quarters Sympthsical Nov 2023 #35

Maybe they all can extend the ceasefire forever. Wednesdays Nov 2023 #24

What about the hostages? Zincwarrior Nov 2023 #60

What about..... Butterflylady Nov 2023 #109

We can all dream malaise Nov 2023 #66

K&R onecaliberal Nov 2023 #25

indeed dembotoz Nov 2023 #37

If it were genocide, the deadlist day in this entire conflict... W_HAMILTON Nov 2023 #42

Yes This IS WAR. Cha Nov 2023 #72

Some could and have said this justifies what will remains of Gaza. republianmushroom Nov 2023 #43

Thanks you Malaise. It turns my stomach when I see what's happened to Gaza. Greybnk48 Nov 2023 #45

Lots of people think the Union during the American Civil War carried out genocide I guess. And the allies during WW2. LexVegas Nov 2023 #47

You would think we would evolve to some degree over the past centuries and decades. Greybnk48 Nov 2023 #75

125000 German civilians died in Berlin in 2 weeks at the end of the war in Europe. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #77

Try to stick to the Hamas/Israeli war. There's enough to discuss without... brush Nov 2023 #90

Berlin. 1945. Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #48

we've used certain words so often stopdiggin Nov 2023 #54

282,000 North Korean civilians killed in bombing raids alone in Korean War. Genocide? nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #55

I'm confused. Are you saying because that was done, Gaza is ok? Greybnk48 Nov 2023 #76

Shit Does Happen, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2023 #80

Because in today's world we witness the brutality in our homes, live, Greybnk48 Nov 2023 #157

Sounds Like The Proverbial Drunk Looking For His Keys, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2023 #158

Because sir, that's an entirely different discussion, logically speaking. n/t Greybnk48 Nov 2023 #162

If You Say So, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2023 #164

We're discussing Gaza. If you want to discuss Sudan and Ethiopia Greybnk48 Nov 2023 #170

Oh My, Cheese It! It's The Thread Police!!! The Magistrate Nov 2023 #172

I think the point is... Happy Hoosier Nov 2023 #192

Europe did not oppress Germany before they bomb Berlin, bad analogy uponit7771 Nov 2023 #187

Humanitarian catastrophe perpetrated by a right-wing gov't. Duncan Grant Nov 2023 #57

It is heartbreaking malaise Nov 2023 #67

I'm not seeing this the same way. yardwork Nov 2023 #70

I sincerely appreciate you and respect your point of view. Duncan Grant Nov 2023 #137

No Conceivable Government of Israel, Sir, No Government Of Any State At All The Magistrate Nov 2023 #71

Carter and Biden -- and you posit, which side are you on? Really? Duncan Grant Nov 2023 #146

It's A Nice Thought, Sir, If A Cheap One, Off the Shelf The Magistrate Nov 2023 #147

And how would you call the barbarism that took place on Oct. 7? Decapitating babies question everything Nov 2023 #65

Religion. Poisins. Everything. czarjak Nov 2023 #82

Pressure cooker enid602 Nov 2023 #91

What are we to make of this argument? Basic LA Nov 2023 #93

Israel isn't killing anyone for vengeance. Captain Stern Nov 2023 #101

Well said. yardwork Nov 2023 #104

Yes, Israel wants to kill civilians so bad they literally call and ask them to move out of the way EX500rider Nov 2023 #122

Is every war where civilians are killed "genocide" or only when Israel does it? EX500rider Nov 2023 #94

Excellent point sir. Feels like much outrage is more due to who's doing it vs who it's being done to. CincyDem Nov 2023 #155

Mass bombing of civilian targets out of vengeance is wrong DBoon Nov 2023 #96

To all of you, I have to ask ---was there this much concern over the Ukraine. Houses were flattened, babies, children , debm55 Nov 2023 #98

Nope. yardwork Nov 2023 #102

Agree, why the heck is President Biden responsible? I don't understand but deep in my heart I do understand. Question debm55 Nov 2023 #108

There is an I/P forum, where these discussions are normally held. yardwork Nov 2023 #110

yardwork, I will pass. but thank you for the suggestion. debm55 Nov 2023 #118

That is a very different scenario. Sky Jewels Nov 2023 #106

Why not? A life is a life, destruction is destruction. So why is it not analogous? We should feel equally about the debm55 Nov 2023 #115

Do you really not understand that the reason Sky Jewels Nov 2023 #124

Do you think what happened and is happening in the Ukraine is genocide? nt debm55 Nov 2023 #125

Yes. And I'm very glad the U.S. is helping Ukraine fight Putin's murderous regime Sky Jewels Nov 2023 #126

But I didn't reserve my point to Ukraine yardwork Nov 2023 #120

I agree that there are many, many things to be angry about when it comes to Sky Jewels Nov 2023 #127

You understand Hamas is the aggressor here TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #130

Hamas was the original aggressor. Sky Jewels Nov 2023 #191

I know..... LeftInTX Nov 2023 #107

Hamas could end this today if they just release all the hostages, surrender the kelly1mm Nov 2023 #111

Exactly TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #131

On both sides... JT45242 Nov 2023 #112

Two separate issues here. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #119

Imo the best solution would just be for Israel to annex Gaza. Oneironaut Nov 2023 #114

I have also been seeing moniss Nov 2023 #121

Not excusing Hamas for the atrocities they carried out, but yes, how Israel responds matters and in my... SKKY Nov 2023 #123

The question that reasonates for me is, "why didn't they leave?" mzmolly Nov 2023 #136

netanyahu is SAYING he is targeting hamas... Think. Again. Nov 2023 #143

Hamas is hiding among the civilian mzmolly Nov 2023 #144

Cowardly enid602 Nov 2023 #148

Oh, I think if The dome gets injured it's not a big deal mzmolly Nov 2023 #150

Palestinians also gets lots of money from others JI7 Dec 2023 #217

DURec leftstreet Nov 2023 #142

October 7th. lees1975 Nov 2023 #153

It's a concentration of the routine violence against those subject to second class status. David__77 Nov 2023 #154

True Enough, Sir The Magistrate Nov 2023 #159

I was referring to people in East Jerusalem too, among others. David__77 Nov 2023 #161

And I Was Refering, Sir, To, Oh, I Don't Know What The Magistrate Nov 2023 #166

Malaise. SYGDeb Nov 2023 #167

So you are excusing what HAMAS did on 10/7? Sal_NV Nov 2023 #168

It would seem that way, doesn't it. debm55 Nov 2023 #175

Few to no one on DU is excusing Hamas. I don't know why this deflecting question continues uponit7771 Nov 2023 #184

Perhaps you didn't read the post that was being responded to? tritsofme Nov 2023 #186

Of course I read it, person can be right and not be pro hamas. The either with us or against us mindset uponit7771 Nov 2023 #189

Really? Sal_NV Nov 2023 #197

Stating facts not in dispute isn't excusing anyone, reality is a friend uponit7771 Nov 2023 #205

Ok then. Sal_NV Nov 2023 #207

It's all they have. Goddessartist Dec 2023 #220

Nailed it malaise Nov 2023 #169

Did you feel this strongly about Ukrainians forced to leave, their children ,elderly and women killed., being forced to debm55 Nov 2023 #171

You just accurately described.... tusk Nov 2023 #210

As Malaise said, nailed it! Goddessartist Dec 2023 #221

This message was self-deleted by its author tenderfoot Nov 2023 #199

Palestinian lands became occupied territories by IDF. magicarpet Nov 2023 #200

How and Why were Israelis able to steal Palestinian land in WB and Gaza? This is the part I'm ... uponit7771 Nov 2023 #209

I agree 100! tusk Nov 2023 #203

So all 2 million Gazans have firearms enough to fight Hamas? uponit7771 Nov 2023 #211

Yes. tusk Nov 2023 #213

This is irrational on its face uponit7771 Dec 2023 #222

I can see you fail to understand the compartmentalised power dynamics in Gaza (and apparently many other places as well) Celerity Dec 2023 #224

I won't even respond n/t malaise Dec 2023 #231

This message was self-deleted by its author debm55 Dec 2023 #235

Bwaaaaaah malaise Dec 2023 #237

Hamas broke the ceasefire numerous times since 6 am. This one is on them. LeftInTX Dec 2023 #218