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TheProle

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8. Exactly.

Wed Dec 6, 2023, 12:19 PM

Dec 2023

Genocidal actions on the part of Hamas are to blame for the damage, much as Germans paid the price for their support of a genocidal maniac.

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Financial Times: Scale of Northern Gaza destruction equivalent to bombing of German cities in WWII [View all] Donkees Dec 2023 OP

Horrific. Goddessartist Dec 2023 #1

Exactly. TheProle Dec 2023 #8

Was the U.S. bombing of Germany "Genocidal"? former9thward Dec 2023 #9

Nonsense. Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #11

Tell that to Goddessartist Dec 2023 #14

Yes Calculating Dec 2023 #37

Bombing enid602 Dec 2023 #2

So this is the equivalent of what the allies did during Tomconroy Dec 2023 #3

Unfortunately there is a revisionist movement BannonsLiver Dec 2023 #4

Not exactly. The non-combatant Palestinians have nothing to fight back with. They just have to huddle down and take it. brush Dec 2023 #15

Hamas is fighting back, I assure you. Tomconroy Dec 2023 #20

OK, there must be a lack of comprehension here. There's a difference between Hamas (who have be eliminated) and... brush Dec 2023 #23

It seems as though one must include in EVERY post that one condemns Hamas terrorism. Marcus IM Dec 2023 #27

Yes, that's why I do it. And this is supposed to be a progressive site of intelligent people. It can get you down. brush Dec 2023 #30

We've learned a lot since 9-11. Voltaire2 Dec 2023 #101

What I get is that Hamas hides among the general populace Tomconroy Dec 2023 #33

Saying Hamas must go/be eliminated is not enough for you? God, this place has gone nuts. brush Dec 2023 #36

How do you think they are going to be eliminated? Tomconroy Dec 2023 #56

True enough, but this war is asymetrical. Unlimited bombing and artillery against non-combatant civilians will surely... brush Dec 2023 #69

Hamas doesnt wear uniforms and hides among Tomconroy Dec 2023 #73

A Hamas operative, unarmed and not uniformed, has no avantage over IDF ground forces/special forces. brush Dec 2023 #80

All hamas has to do is surrender. Tomconroy Dec 2023 #82

And what's wrong with that? IDF forces will of course be suspicious of military-aged men and will separate them out... brush Dec 2023 #87

Still not a justification for non surgical engagement uponit7771 Dec 2023 #106

Ah but then it would be an equal fight, wouldn't it? AloeVera Dec 2023 #72

WW II was an equal fight. And civilians werent left out of it. Tomconroy Dec 2023 #75

Precisely. AloeVera Dec 2023 #86

Even hamas is saying its about 2 to 1. (10000 v. 5000) Tomconroy Dec 2023 #89

Germans and Japanese were the oppressors the Palestinians are not uponit7771 Dec 2023 #107

Surgical incursions?!?! You know like it's been done for generations? uponit7771 Dec 2023 #105

yes. there is a difference WhiteTara Dec 2023 #22

The population distribution is far more likely due to a combination of factors. CincyDem Dec 2023 #65

So how did those Israeli tanks get knocked out? NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #24

Again a lack of comprehension. Hamas has to go, got that? The innocent, non-combatant Palestinians are not the same... brush Dec 2023 #26

Don't take the bait. Your position is clear (to me) Marcus IM Dec 2023 #28

It's discouraging all right. Think I'll take a break from the Gaza war threads for a while. brush Dec 2023 #31

In 1941, the United States pulled out of Manilla so that the Japanese wouldn't level the city. NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #34

Good History. Evil is evil. Hamas is, IMO. Innocent non-combatants are another thing. brush Dec 2023 #35

The situation sucks, but Israel has to destroy Hamas and change the government of Gaza NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #39

Every nation in a war has far more civilians than active soldiers. NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #32

Again, the non-combatants and Hamas are not the same. The IDF tells them to flee south, then bombs the south. brush Dec 2023 #41

In regard to your last statement, it has. NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #42

I disagree. Take buildings down and then what? Urban warfare is what. brush Dec 2023 #45

It's denial to the enemy of cover and ambush positions NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #92

Apparently every home, hospital, school in Gaza is offering resistance. AloeVera Dec 2023 #102

The only way for all of Hamas to go is to kill all 2 million Palestinians in Gaza. Lonestarblue Dec 2023 #47

You must have responded to the wrong post. I've always advocate for the air strikes to stop and Hamas to be elimincated. brush Dec 2023 #48

They had a cease fire last week that Hamas didn't want. jimfields33 Dec 2023 #76

Your statement simply isnt true. Tomconroy Dec 2023 #77

And German & Japanese civilians could fight back how exactly? EX500rider Dec 2023 #46

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So Hamas is not fighting back? Israel hasn't lost troops & tanks etc? EX500rider Dec 2023 #51

Please, buddy. Nobody said Hamas is not fighting back. They and Palestinian civilians are not the same thing. brush Dec 2023 #58

Bingo. That's exactly what I'm saying. brush Dec 2023 #62

They could've fought back by NOT being the oppressors before the war? tia uponit7771 Dec 2023 #108

No standing army, no air force, no tanks, Apaches,nothing. AloeVera Dec 2023 #54

Yeah, it's going down in history. Israel needs to kick Bibi's "bomb first, ask questions later" ass to the curb asap. brush Dec 2023 #60

There is a standing army. They just dont wear Tomconroy Dec 2023 #74

The asymmetry is ridiculous. AloeVera Dec 2023 #81

There is an army of 30,-40000. They actually Tomconroy Dec 2023 #83

Yes I've seen those estimates. AloeVera Dec 2023 #90

I know no one wants to hear this but if the Tomconroy Dec 2023 #93

Yes, they could have lived a few weeks longer. AloeVera Dec 2023 #95

A bit of an exaggeration, no? Tomconroy Dec 2023 #97

Hardly, an exaggeration. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #98

16000 are dead, a third of whom are combatants. Tomconroy Dec 2023 #99

These are not my words; these are the words of Gazan. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #100

I don' know where "a third" came from, but it looks wildly inaccuarate. 8% would seem closer muriel_volestrangler Dec 2023 #103

There was reporting that Hamas prevented many from leaving; they wanted human shields. JudyM Dec 2023 #113

That's what makes them non-combatants. They are not taking part in the fighting. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #57

Whatever...who knows what that means? brush Dec 2023 #59

This means that the analogies of Germany and Japan with Gaza Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #66

I dunno, one bombed out pile of rubble looks like another bombed out pile of rubble. brush Dec 2023 #71

Hamas attack on 10/7 ! Hitler's actions redqueen Dec 2023 #67

Germans weren't oppressed before WWII started uponit7771 Dec 2023 #104

if you are still supporting this you need to examine your values. oioioi Dec 2023 #5

My values are that Hamas has to go. Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #13

yeah, maybe a progressive forum isn't the ideal place for your values at this point. ignored. oioioi Dec 2023 #16

Another non-answer from a keyboard hero. NT Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #19

Eliminating terrorists is fully within the values of Democratic Underground. NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #25

Everyone here agrees Hamas has to go. What people are disgusted with is the horrific inhumanity that innocent... brush Dec 2023 #21

War is always horrible. NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #40

Getting Hamas out is the thing to do. Ground forces/special forces have to get on with urban warfare. Air strikes must.. brush Dec 2023 #43

This idea that urban warfare is somehow easier on civilians is nonsense EX500rider Dec 2023 #49

Those photos look just like Gaza does now. And your point is? Keep bombing the shit out civilian areas? brush Dec 2023 #55

"Those photos look just like Gaza does now. And your point is?" Point is ground combat is no easier on civilians EX500rider Dec 2023 #61

I don't believe that. Women and Children, who make up at least 65 percent of Gazans, are easily distinguised from... brush Dec 2023 #64

You mean like those terrorist women and children who were just released from Israeli prison AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #79

Let's deal with the present shall we. We're talking urban warfare in Gaza where Hamas operatives may try to... brush Dec 2023 #85

Only if you believe that women and children can't be terrorists AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #88

"Where are you getting this stuff from?" Military history? EX500rider Dec 2023 #91

They will be screaming the same crap TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #94

It doesn't have to be ugly, this problem has been solved before and is not unique. Surgical time taking incursions work uponit7771 Dec 2023 #109

DURec leftstreet Dec 2023 #6

Testament to the phrase "elections matter". CincyDem Dec 2023 #7

Doubt if much of the Hamas command and control remains intact. PufPuf23 Dec 2023 #63

I agree on one count and not on the other. CincyDem Dec 2023 #70

Thank you. nt PufPuf23 Dec 2023 #84

Sure...if you were totally ignorant of the scale of the bombing of Germany EX500rider Dec 2023 #10

Effin evil malaise Dec 2023 #12

Are you okay with Hamas staying in power? Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #17

No, the US strikes Bibi said no (link) uponit7771 Dec 2023 #111

Yep Goddessartist Dec 2023 #18

They had a ceasefire Calculating Dec 2023 #38

Ukrianians are using drones that attack the windshield of Russian vehicles and do such from safety... uponit7771 Dec 2023 #110

What a coincidence Turbineguy Dec 2023 #29

I think a comparison sarisataka Dec 2023 #44

Thanks for your invaluable updates & coverage! Basic LA Dec 2023 #52

The far left and far right bend and meet at antisemitism. nt LexVegas Dec 2023 #53

Hamas attack on 10/7 ! Hitler's actions redqueen Dec 2023 #68

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After Hamas is defeated... Owl Dec 2023 #96

I've been hearing talking heads claim the Muslim states will do it like they're the ones who bombed Gaza uponit7771 Dec 2023 #112