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NutmegYankee

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92. It's denial to the enemy of cover and ambush positions

Wed Dec 6, 2023, 04:02 PM

Dec 2023

It allows the attacking force the ability to take and hold territory, which is the ultimate job of ground-pounders (infantry). If it ain't bombs, it would be tanks and mortars doing the same thing as snipers are eliminated.

When US infantry had to fight street to street, we also leveled cities in the process of taking them. If a position offers resistance, this is going to happen. If a position doesn't offer resistance and can be occupied peacefully, it stays intact.

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Financial Times: Scale of Northern Gaza destruction equivalent to bombing of German cities in WWII [View all] Donkees Dec 2023 OP

Horrific. Goddessartist Dec 2023 #1

Exactly. TheProle Dec 2023 #8

Was the U.S. bombing of Germany "Genocidal"? former9thward Dec 2023 #9

Nonsense. Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #11

Tell that to Goddessartist Dec 2023 #14

Yes Calculating Dec 2023 #37

Bombing enid602 Dec 2023 #2

So this is the equivalent of what the allies did during Tomconroy Dec 2023 #3

Unfortunately there is a revisionist movement BannonsLiver Dec 2023 #4

Not exactly. The non-combatant Palestinians have nothing to fight back with. They just have to huddle down and take it. brush Dec 2023 #15

Hamas is fighting back, I assure you. Tomconroy Dec 2023 #20

OK, there must be a lack of comprehension here. There's a difference between Hamas (who have be eliminated) and... brush Dec 2023 #23

It seems as though one must include in EVERY post that one condemns Hamas terrorism. Marcus IM Dec 2023 #27

Yes, that's why I do it. And this is supposed to be a progressive site of intelligent people. It can get you down. brush Dec 2023 #30

We've learned a lot since 9-11. Voltaire2 Dec 2023 #101

What I get is that Hamas hides among the general populace Tomconroy Dec 2023 #33

Saying Hamas must go/be eliminated is not enough for you? God, this place has gone nuts. brush Dec 2023 #36

How do you think they are going to be eliminated? Tomconroy Dec 2023 #56

True enough, but this war is asymetrical. Unlimited bombing and artillery against non-combatant civilians will surely... brush Dec 2023 #69

Hamas doesnt wear uniforms and hides among Tomconroy Dec 2023 #73

A Hamas operative, unarmed and not uniformed, has no avantage over IDF ground forces/special forces. brush Dec 2023 #80

All hamas has to do is surrender. Tomconroy Dec 2023 #82

And what's wrong with that? IDF forces will of course be suspicious of military-aged men and will separate them out... brush Dec 2023 #87

Still not a justification for non surgical engagement uponit7771 Dec 2023 #106

Ah but then it would be an equal fight, wouldn't it? AloeVera Dec 2023 #72

WW II was an equal fight. And civilians werent left out of it. Tomconroy Dec 2023 #75

Precisely. AloeVera Dec 2023 #86

Even hamas is saying its about 2 to 1. (10000 v. 5000) Tomconroy Dec 2023 #89

Germans and Japanese were the oppressors the Palestinians are not uponit7771 Dec 2023 #107

Surgical incursions?!?! You know like it's been done for generations? uponit7771 Dec 2023 #105

yes. there is a difference WhiteTara Dec 2023 #22

The population distribution is far more likely due to a combination of factors. CincyDem Dec 2023 #65

So how did those Israeli tanks get knocked out? NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #24

Again a lack of comprehension. Hamas has to go, got that? The innocent, non-combatant Palestinians are not the same... brush Dec 2023 #26

Don't take the bait. Your position is clear (to me) Marcus IM Dec 2023 #28

It's discouraging all right. Think I'll take a break from the Gaza war threads for a while. brush Dec 2023 #31

In 1941, the United States pulled out of Manilla so that the Japanese wouldn't level the city. NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #34

Good History. Evil is evil. Hamas is, IMO. Innocent non-combatants are another thing. brush Dec 2023 #35

The situation sucks, but Israel has to destroy Hamas and change the government of Gaza NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #39

Every nation in a war has far more civilians than active soldiers. NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #32

Again, the non-combatants and Hamas are not the same. The IDF tells them to flee south, then bombs the south. brush Dec 2023 #41

In regard to your last statement, it has. NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #42

I disagree. Take buildings down and then what? Urban warfare is what. brush Dec 2023 #45

It's denial to the enemy of cover and ambush positions NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #92

Apparently every home, hospital, school in Gaza is offering resistance. AloeVera Dec 2023 #102

The only way for all of Hamas to go is to kill all 2 million Palestinians in Gaza. Lonestarblue Dec 2023 #47

You must have responded to the wrong post. I've always advocate for the air strikes to stop and Hamas to be elimincated. brush Dec 2023 #48

They had a cease fire last week that Hamas didn't want. jimfields33 Dec 2023 #76

Your statement simply isnt true. Tomconroy Dec 2023 #77

And German & Japanese civilians could fight back how exactly? EX500rider Dec 2023 #46

Post removed Post removed Dec 2023 #50

So Hamas is not fighting back? Israel hasn't lost troops & tanks etc? EX500rider Dec 2023 #51

Please, buddy. Nobody said Hamas is not fighting back. They and Palestinian civilians are not the same thing. brush Dec 2023 #58

Bingo. That's exactly what I'm saying. brush Dec 2023 #62

They could've fought back by NOT being the oppressors before the war? tia uponit7771 Dec 2023 #108

No standing army, no air force, no tanks, Apaches,nothing. AloeVera Dec 2023 #54

Yeah, it's going down in history. Israel needs to kick Bibi's "bomb first, ask questions later" ass to the curb asap. brush Dec 2023 #60

There is a standing army. They just dont wear Tomconroy Dec 2023 #74

The asymmetry is ridiculous. AloeVera Dec 2023 #81

There is an army of 30,-40000. They actually Tomconroy Dec 2023 #83

Yes I've seen those estimates. AloeVera Dec 2023 #90

I know no one wants to hear this but if the Tomconroy Dec 2023 #93

Yes, they could have lived a few weeks longer. AloeVera Dec 2023 #95

A bit of an exaggeration, no? Tomconroy Dec 2023 #97

Hardly, an exaggeration. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #98

16000 are dead, a third of whom are combatants. Tomconroy Dec 2023 #99

These are not my words; these are the words of Gazan. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #100

I don' know where "a third" came from, but it looks wildly inaccuarate. 8% would seem closer muriel_volestrangler Dec 2023 #103

There was reporting that Hamas prevented many from leaving; they wanted human shields. JudyM Dec 2023 #113

That's what makes them non-combatants. They are not taking part in the fighting. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #57

Whatever...who knows what that means? brush Dec 2023 #59

This means that the analogies of Germany and Japan with Gaza Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #66

I dunno, one bombed out pile of rubble looks like another bombed out pile of rubble. brush Dec 2023 #71

Hamas attack on 10/7 ! Hitler's actions redqueen Dec 2023 #67

Germans weren't oppressed before WWII started uponit7771 Dec 2023 #104

if you are still supporting this you need to examine your values. oioioi Dec 2023 #5

My values are that Hamas has to go. Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #13

yeah, maybe a progressive forum isn't the ideal place for your values at this point. ignored. oioioi Dec 2023 #16

Another non-answer from a keyboard hero. NT Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #19

Eliminating terrorists is fully within the values of Democratic Underground. NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #25

Everyone here agrees Hamas has to go. What people are disgusted with is the horrific inhumanity that innocent... brush Dec 2023 #21

War is always horrible. NutmegYankee Dec 2023 #40

Getting Hamas out is the thing to do. Ground forces/special forces have to get on with urban warfare. Air strikes must.. brush Dec 2023 #43

This idea that urban warfare is somehow easier on civilians is nonsense EX500rider Dec 2023 #49

Those photos look just like Gaza does now. And your point is? Keep bombing the shit out civilian areas? brush Dec 2023 #55

"Those photos look just like Gaza does now. And your point is?" Point is ground combat is no easier on civilians EX500rider Dec 2023 #61

I don't believe that. Women and Children, who make up at least 65 percent of Gazans, are easily distinguised from... brush Dec 2023 #64

You mean like those terrorist women and children who were just released from Israeli prison AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #79

Let's deal with the present shall we. We're talking urban warfare in Gaza where Hamas operatives may try to... brush Dec 2023 #85

Only if you believe that women and children can't be terrorists AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #88

"Where are you getting this stuff from?" Military history? EX500rider Dec 2023 #91

They will be screaming the same crap TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #94

It doesn't have to be ugly, this problem has been solved before and is not unique. Surgical time taking incursions work uponit7771 Dec 2023 #109

DURec leftstreet Dec 2023 #6

Testament to the phrase "elections matter". CincyDem Dec 2023 #7

Doubt if much of the Hamas command and control remains intact. PufPuf23 Dec 2023 #63

I agree on one count and not on the other. CincyDem Dec 2023 #70

Thank you. nt PufPuf23 Dec 2023 #84

Sure...if you were totally ignorant of the scale of the bombing of Germany EX500rider Dec 2023 #10

Effin evil malaise Dec 2023 #12

Are you okay with Hamas staying in power? Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #17

No, the US strikes Bibi said no (link) uponit7771 Dec 2023 #111

Yep Goddessartist Dec 2023 #18

They had a ceasefire Calculating Dec 2023 #38

Ukrianians are using drones that attack the windshield of Russian vehicles and do such from safety... uponit7771 Dec 2023 #110

What a coincidence Turbineguy Dec 2023 #29

I think a comparison sarisataka Dec 2023 #44

Thanks for your invaluable updates & coverage! Basic LA Dec 2023 #52

The far left and far right bend and meet at antisemitism. nt LexVegas Dec 2023 #53

Hamas attack on 10/7 ! Hitler's actions redqueen Dec 2023 #68

Post removed Post removed Dec 2023 #78

After Hamas is defeated... Owl Dec 2023 #96

I've been hearing talking heads claim the Muslim states will do it like they're the ones who bombed Gaza uponit7771 Dec 2023 #112