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Igel

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45. Yes it was.

Wed Dec 6, 2023, 08:03 PM

Dec 2023

But I don't recall Jabotinsky calling for ethnic cleansing.

He wanted a homeland, sort of the literary founding father of Zionism, but while Jewish homeland was on the left hand side of the menu, co-existence was on the right-hand side.

"From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free" rather says that the entire area is "Palestine" (no Israel) and rather suggests that current Israel isn't free. Free from what? Theocracy? Repression of speech? Wakame?

Oh. Oppression. By whom?

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'From the river to the sea': Why these 6 words spark fury and passion over the Israel-Hamas war [View all] redqueen Dec 2023 OP

What I don't understand claudette Dec 2023 #1

I think Wikipedia has a reasonably good overview. David__77 Dec 2023 #2

Thank you claudette Dec 2023 #3

At the top of this page, in bold type: Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #47

That does happen on Wikipedia. David__77 Dec 2023 #51

The article omits facts relevant to the issues presented in it, Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #56

I often find reading the "talk" page in Wikipedia of interest. David__77 Dec 2023 #59

Who are you defending? Are you suggesting that it's okay to say it? Or that those who do should not be called-out? Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #8

Welcome to du redqueen Dec 2023 #12

Well, thank you for noticing! It's odd to receive a "welcome to DU" message after six months here. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #17

"Welcome to DU" and "enjoy your stay" often mean the same thing. TwilightZone Dec 2023 #66

Thanks very much. I appreciate your checking-in and sharing your thoughts. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #74

I was told to "enjoy my stay" when I had under 100 posts Polybius Dec 2023 #103

Deflection? TexasDem69 Dec 2023 #37

Because it is referred to as if it really were possible treestar Dec 2023 #77

Yes, like Hamas' stated goal has any chance of happening treestar Dec 2023 #76

Yes, exactly claudette Dec 2023 #80

Its an antisemitic phrase. nt LexVegas Dec 2023 #4

There isn't any secret to the antisemitism it is written in 10,000 foot tall letters of fire TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #5

That's right. It does pre-date Hamas. marybourg Dec 2023 #6

The phrase was first used by early Zionists to justify the creation of Greater Israel. TheRickles Dec 2023 #28

Yes it was. Igel Dec 2023 #45

Yet today Palestinians make up 20% of Israeli citizens NickB79 Dec 2023 #50

Not sure of that claudette Dec 2023 #81

Not sure of what, exact? NickB79 Dec 2023 #96

Ok claudette Dec 2023 #97

The full chant: Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #53

Absolutely true! ShazzieB Dec 2023 #65

This Begins To Sound, Ma'am, Like Tucker Carlson Whining He Can't Use 'The N-Word' The Magistrate Dec 2023 #7

Funny how despite the ongoing pandemic of domestic violence, rape, and femicide, redqueen Dec 2023 #10

It's Not Universally Accepted The Earth Is A Globe, Ma'am, Or That Organic Diversity Owes To Evolution The Magistrate Dec 2023 #13

It is interesting how unevenly this 'rule' is applied. redqueen Dec 2023 #18

All Rules Are Applied Unevenly, Ma'am The Magistrate Dec 2023 #19

How so? nt redqueen Dec 2023 #21

You Are Maintaining, Ma'am, That A Minority Group Reporting It Is Threatened By Another's Speech Should Be Ignored The Magistrate Dec 2023 #26

Ah, but no one is insisting that those who disagree do so politely redqueen Dec 2023 #32

I Find Politeness Adds A Certain Edge, Ma'am, Mere Slanging Can't Achieve The Magistrate Dec 2023 #42

All other things taken into account... Damn, I envy your command of the English language! Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #61

I am not advancing any cultural cause here. redqueen Dec 2023 #75

I Agree With That Aim, Ma'am The Magistrate Dec 2023 #83

Yet I have not done that. redqueen Dec 2023 #85

In Your Original Comment, Ma'am The Magistrate Dec 2023 #87

I offered it up as an example of how many on the left are using it. redqueen Dec 2023 #88

As You Wish, Ma'am The Magistrate Dec 2023 #89

Apologies, I didn't intend that to direct that at you. redqueen Dec 2023 #90

None Necessary, Ma'am The Magistrate Dec 2023 #93

"Will cause a backlash"? I'm afraid the backlash is already here Hekate Dec 2023 #60

I guess it goes from threats to the actual action TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #99

Sir, you rock Hekate Dec 2023 #58

This chant is absolutely a call to eliminate Israel TexasDem69 Dec 2023 #39

Some here seem to be pretending just that, unfortunately. 😕 ShazzieB Dec 2023 #67

Ah, the "nuance argument." Igel Dec 2023 #57

99% of the time we are told sarisataka Dec 2023 #11

People fine with this probably think the Confederate Flag is just about heritage Sympthsical Dec 2023 #9

I Like That, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2023 #15

And the word The word swastika comes from the Sanskrit svastika, which means "good fortune" or "well-being." Swede Dec 2023 #54

Excellent analogy, this is the exact same bad faith world where defense of that phrase exists. tritsofme Dec 2023 #25

Words meanings can change Johnny2X2X Dec 2023 #14

I am very sure edhopper Dec 2023 #16

I heard it used to express a desire for genocide about 68 years ago. raging moderate Dec 2023 #36

I don't know the answer to eleminated Hamas edhopper Dec 2023 #41

Pretending the phrase means something else is gaslighting. tritsofme Dec 2023 #20

The accusations are just a flying redqueen Dec 2023 #22

Perhaps that is an indication some self reflection is in order? tritsofme Dec 2023 #27

Why do you want to be able to say that phrase so bad? egduj Dec 2023 #29

Why do you think I want to say it? nt redqueen Dec 2023 #33

You're writing a song and it would fit perfectly as a refrain? egduj Dec 2023 #38

You want an end of Jewish rule edhopper Dec 2023 #43

It doesn't matter why you want to say it elias7 Dec 2023 #48

Gosh, here I thought I was the only one..... Butterflylady Dec 2023 #30

Heck no! redqueen Dec 2023 #35

If you and others want to claim a phrase revmclaren Dec 2023 #70

Correct. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #23

I believe the predominant reason for the uproar is that it diverts attention away Uncle Joe Dec 2023 #24

Nonesense, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2023 #31

Perhaps - if so it's a wildly ineffective method. redqueen Dec 2023 #34

I agree, and it is wildly ineffectual but we have grown up with this narrative Uncle Joe Dec 2023 #40

Or maybe it's because she slurred President Biden as a genocide supporter? tritsofme Dec 2023 #44

Rashida is the ONLY Palestinian American in the Congress, and the corporate media in general Uncle Joe Dec 2023 #52

I don't know how that is relevant to her vicious and unjust slur of President Biden as a genocide supporter. tritsofme Dec 2023 #55

Irrelevant, Sir. She Said What She Said. It Was Stupid. The Magistrate Dec 2023 #62

That's an odd deflection. TwilightZone Dec 2023 #68

Are you arguing that because she's the only Palestinian TexasDem69 Dec 2023 #69

Not Quite, Sir, But Close The Magistrate Dec 2023 #71

We start the clock in 1948. Igel Dec 2023 #64

Only tangentially related... AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #79

Would Putin be the same asshole if he wasn't raised on Igel Dec 2023 #100

So which side plans on controlling "from the river to the sea"?? WarGamer Dec 2023 #46

One side already does. AloeVera Dec 2023 #82

I can't wait to hear about he consistent peaceful protests from them...that's something the world would get behind. GuppyGal Dec 2023 #91

Someone needs to tell the Pro-Palestinian protesters using it then NickB79 Dec 2023 #49

It's a trigger phrase for most people. Aussie105 Dec 2023 #63

It's "Heritage, not hate", right? Behind the Aegis Dec 2023 #72

This is insane. nt LexVegas Dec 2023 #73

Some people really, really want to employ antisemitic sentiments for some reason Sympthsical Dec 2023 #78

This is one of the most depressing threads ever posted on DU. madaboutharry Dec 2023 #84

If it were directed at any other group Zeitghost Dec 2023 #86

There is a double standard when it comes to Jews....that much is abundantly clear. nt GuppyGal Dec 2023 #92

Has been the case for a 3,000 years or so, it seems to me. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #101

'From the river to the sea' - Students chant but don't know which river or sea LeftInTX Dec 2023 #94

Like white 80's teenagers with Confederate flags on their locker door because Maru Kitteh Dec 2023 #98

Hamas is using this phrase to call for elimination death of all Jews is Israel LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #95

Jesus Christ. ismnotwasm Dec 2023 #102