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Mosby

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78. Hebron is not a very good example

Thu Dec 7, 2023, 03:54 PM

Dec 2023

Because you and I both know what would happen to the Jews there if the IDF left. You are also aware how long Jews have been living in and around Hebron. In a world without racism and bigotry, Jews and Muslims could live in peace together, but that's never going to happen, over time people are becoming more bigoted and racist, not less, and I'm not just talking about the ME.

I don't dispute the description in your post about how the daily lives of Palestinians are affected by the occupation, but looking at the flip side for Israelis, Jews and non Jews both have had to deal with over a hundred years of terrorism coming from the Palestinian community.

So even though I don't communicate this much here, I very much sympathize with both sides of this conflict, but I do so with the understanding that the vast majority of the blame lies with the Palestinian leadership.

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Hey! There are WAAAAY too many accustions of anti-semitism here. Is Sen. Bernie Sanders an anti-Semite? [View all] TeamProg Dec 2023 OP

It's not the accusations that are the problem, it's the actual anti-Semitism. tritsofme Dec 2023 #1

Yep. nt LexVegas Dec 2023 #3

The accusations ARE the problem since that is where some are defining others, right? Is Sen. Sanders TeamProg Dec 2023 #5

I have never seen anyone here make that accusation of Sanders, you'll have to build another straw man. tritsofme Dec 2023 #7

Do you agree with him on this? "immoral" and "in violation of international law." TeamProg Dec 2023 #19

I don't agree with Sanders on lots of things, including that. tritsofme Dec 2023 #31

It's a LOT easier to accuse everyday people here than it is a liberal U.S. Senator, got it. The members here being TeamProg Dec 2023 #35

Again, he is wrong. But he is not using anti-Semitic tropes or attacks. tritsofme Dec 2023 #37

Neither are many people here who are saying similar things to Sanders Ms. Toad Dec 2023 #63

I haven't seen it. tritsofme Dec 2023 #67

I'm one. Lunabell Dec 2023 #76

Oh I have, Butterflylady Dec 2023 #111

And whatever you do, DON'T use the conjunction "but", or the verb "may" maxrandb Dec 2023 #153

Oh I have..... Butterflylady Dec 2023 #112

I sure have. It is pervasive here. JanMichael Dec 2023 #202

No. I Do Not Agree The Magistrate Dec 2023 #34

No doubt, Hamas committed war crimes, that is not the argument. International law says war crimes are illegal even in a TeamProg Dec 2023 #40

You Can Be Insensitive As You Please, Sir: I've No Feelings To Speak Of The Magistrate Dec 2023 #48

Your views on law are "superior" to established International Law.. oh kay.. TeamProg Dec 2023 #104

I Suggest You Actually Read the Statutes And Conventions, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2023 #107

And far more humble! TeamProg Dec 2023 #158

I agree with what he is saying. "Likud is immoral and against international law". But I disagree that aid should be with SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #172

By giving aid the US is then contributing to the breaking TeamProg Dec 2023 #181

So? SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #185

It lessens our standing and in the end, our own power to negotiate. um, duh. TeamProg Dec 2023 #186

We're not negotiating with Hamas nor any other terrorists. That's up to the proxies. Duh! SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #192

So sorry, I was referring to the BIG picture, the global scale, future negotiations , obviously. TeamProg Dec 2023 #196

It shows the world that Democrats stick by their allies and their friends. Shows that Democrats will help democracies. SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #197

Again, that is not looking at the big picture. Democracies (the U.S.) that support, in Sen. Bernie Sanders words, TeamProg Dec 2023 #199

Don't threaten me with a good time. *Please add me to your ignore list* SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #200

Exactly.. "Strawman".. and it's Not working. Cha Dec 2023 #20

Simple criticism isn't antisemitic... Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #57

Hey Happy, Eko Dec 2023 #147

Thanks for the thoughful discourse. Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #154

100%!! Eko Dec 2023 #170

If only more people understood this Hekate Dec 2023 #193

Agreed PBateman70 Dec 2023 #141

TY and they're are NOT "way too many".. We know Anti-Semitism when we Cha Dec 2023 #18

I've seen so many accusations of anti-semitism tossed like grenades at things that were clearly not, all of which Celerity Dec 2023 #55

No one is crying wolf. madaboutharry Dec 2023 #85

you obviously have not looked at the same threads I have, if this is indeed the case: Celerity Dec 2023 #99

You wrote: madaboutharry Dec 2023 #103

Religio/ethnic/racial reductionism (ie ONLY the in-group can ever say what is and what isn't true in regards to Celerity Dec 2023 #120

You are exactly right in your observations. For many, it Nixie Dec 2023 #156

Hell, Ma'am, I've Said About All That Save No. 4 The Magistrate Dec 2023 #121

It's "high dudgeon" mcar Dec 2023 #136

typo sorry, I will sort it Celerity Dec 2023 #137

Not one example there of the actual posts TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #173

Sorry, I will not be lured into breaking DU TOS (targeting posters). As Pete said in the 2020 debates, 'I may not be Celerity Dec 2023 #182

It is breaking the terms to repost your own? TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #187

The point of my examples was the false claims of anti semitism made by others against them, so yes, posting Celerity Dec 2023 #191

I see the opposite. yardwork Dec 2023 #93

the two are not mutually exclusive at all Celerity Dec 2023 #101

Jon Stewart said SocialDemocrat61 Dec 2023 #122

Since Bernie Sanders is Jewish I question he's an anti-Semite KS Toronado Dec 2023 #79

Maybe PBateman70 Dec 2023 #142

Negotiating with TERRORISTS - including in our own country. FUCKING DISGUSTED thru and thru nt GuppyGal Dec 2023 #2

Now that's a non-sequitur if I ever saw one. iemanja Dec 2023 #123

The vote was 49-51, with Republicans voting against moving forward with the bill, GuppyGal Dec 2023 #126

Which has NOTHING to do with negotiating with terrorists iemanja Dec 2023 #129

Then I'll keep saying them GuppyGal Dec 2023 #132

There are not 51 Republican Senators to vote on anything. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #165

Honestly this was just some hyperbole against the pukes - no commentary on Sanders...I'm sure if he was GuppyGal Dec 2023 #167

Looks like he was. Otherwise, Harris could break the tie. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #171

Using the phrase "from the river to the sea" is antisemitic. nt LexVegas Dec 2023 #4

So you truly believe that Rep Tlaib is an anti-Semite and that she thinks Israel should not exist? Seriously? TeamProg Dec 2023 #9

Actually, I do think Rashida Tlaib does not believe Israel has a right to exist Danmel Dec 2023 #11

Nov 29, 2023 Tlaib statement: TeamProg Dec 2023 #14

Doesn't matter. Marcus IM Dec 2023 #24

Goysplaining done badly. OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #29

Great word to add to my vocabulary... Hekate Dec 2023 #52

Rec Exactly.. Jewish People love to be Cha Dec 2023 #66

That is exactly what you are doing to me. Marcus IM Dec 2023 #82

Stay on Topic.. Sen Fetterman Knows Anti-Semitism When hs sees it. Cha Dec 2023 #90

I am responding to you. Is your post on topic? Marcus IM Dec 2023 #95

Cha's post is on topic and is correct LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #148

Those protesters are idiots. This thread is about the commenters here who get labeled as "anti-semetic" TeamProg Dec 2023 #106

I used "Gentile-splaining" the other day AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #70

Except of one very big fact. Marcus IM Dec 2023 #73

I don't believe I was addressing you AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #74

Apologies. I though you were part of the pile-on regarding my supposed "goysplaining". Marcus IM Dec 2023 #81

Fair enough AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #87

I'm actually surprised it's still there. OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #77

This message was self-deleted by its author Marcus IM Dec 2023 #84

Good for you. OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #94

then DON'T use a slogan that clearly refers to the elimination .... -(nt)- stopdiggin Dec 2023 #26

You might have noticed there is no mention of Israel as a Jewish state Danmel Dec 2023 #27

Religious states are just governments who use their variety of sky fairy to control the populace. Oneironaut Dec 2023 #65

Atheist Jews are still Jews. Israel is not a theocracy TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #150

I did not say it was. Oneironaut Dec 2023 #155

Being Jewish is not just a religion. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #168

It's The Missing Third Paragraph Is The Problem The Magistrate Dec 2023 #46

Her statement shows clear evidence of bias. Mosby Dec 2023 #49

Let's Be Clear, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2023 #56

Hebron is not a very good example Mosby Dec 2023 #78

I Appreciate Your Reply, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2023 #109

I am curious edhopper Dec 2023 #118

Rep. Tlaib is against a two state solution. lapucelle Dec 2023 #133

So she wants 5he same ends edhopper Dec 2023 #143

Echos of "All Lives Matter". CincyDem Dec 2023 #135

Its an antisemitic phrase. Are people who use bigoted slurs and phrases bigots? nt LexVegas Dec 2023 #15

Is it possible that some of the college students who have been participating in demonstrations in support . . . markpkessinger Dec 2023 #169

Just because in their heart of hearts such may not be the intent TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #174

There are even many Jews who disagree that every use of the phrase is necessarily anti-Semitic . . . markpkessinger Dec 2023 #198

Rep. Tlaib wants a one state solution. lapucelle Dec 2023 #47

Rep, Talib advocates for a ONE STATE SOLUTION, which means the eradication of Israel as a nation. madaboutharry Dec 2023 #91

There are two types of one state solutions. LeftInTX Dec 2023 #117

By hook or by crook. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #151

Rep. Tlaib is calling for a one state solution. lapucelle Dec 2023 #138

I do JustAnotherGen Dec 2023 #146

I think she does not believe in the Israel's right to exist TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #149

So you're saying that Jews are antisemitic. Lonestarblue Dec 2023 #16

It Has Long Been Clear Likud Advocates Unwholesome Ends The Magistrate Dec 2023 #51

Not going to defend Likud, the sooner they are out of power the better. madaboutharry Dec 2023 #96

I suspect, particularly with some of the campus demonstrations . . . markpkessinger Dec 2023 #166

Do you see how Sanders criticized Netanyahu and the government? Sympthsical Dec 2023 #6

I have NOT SEEN ONE post criticizing anyone's choice of religion. EVER. Find one and paste it here. TeamProg Dec 2023 #10

You know I can't do that Sympthsical Dec 2023 #36

Expressing concern for the plight of the Gazans Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #43

But that is not what the poster is claiming Sympthsical Dec 2023 #50

I totally agree that your examples are anti-semitic and need to be called out. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #54

It's coming from regulars no minor amount Sympthsical Dec 2023 #61

Yes Mossfern Dec 2023 #100

this entire thread is meant to divide edisdead Dec 2023 #195

While stranger things have happened TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #177

Perhaps the problem is not too many accusations of antisemitism sarisataka Dec 2023 #8

"But that there are so many antisemites to accuse. " Really? By all means, copy and paste to TeamProg Dec 2023 #12

Ok sarisataka Dec 2023 #17

You know darn well that that this conversation is about posts HERE, at DU. Find those and paste them here. TeamProg Dec 2023 #21

Benie Sanders is not a poster here sarisataka Dec 2023 #25

Maybe poster is implying that the pic was of a DUer? Marcus IM Dec 2023 #30

Is Bernie Sanders a member of DU? sarisataka Dec 2023 #39

You are spoiling for a fight. You "know darn well" that what you are demanding is a violation of the TOS. Hekate Dec 2023 #33

That particular picture was defended by a now PPR'd member as not antisemitic... AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #68

We have lost a lot of long term DUers over this... I don't know what the answer is but hlthe2b Dec 2023 #23

There's nothing forcing anyone to respond to posts like that. TwilightZone Dec 2023 #42

I believe you know it is not that simple nor hardly limited as you suggest. But, I don't wish to argue. hlthe2b Dec 2023 #45

Rec TY.. Yeah, Not that complicated. Cha Dec 2023 #75

Cha... hlthe2b Dec 2023 #89

Cha is one of the kindest, most empathetic DUers yardwork Dec 2023 #102

You are way off base. That is not what i am saying at all. You can ask Cha about our interactions. hlthe2b Dec 2023 #105

Cha is one of my favorite posters and this post is simply wrong LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #108

You are way off base. That is not what i am saying at all. You can ask Cha about our interactions. hlthe2b Dec 2023 #116

Sen Fetterman Calls it "Anti-Semitism" ... Cha Dec 2023 #62

Ive been disgusted by some of the stuff I've seen TexasDem69 Dec 2023 #203

I think you can be anti Netanyahu and anti Hamas without being anti Jewish or Muslim Srkdqltr Dec 2023 #13

Exactly. But there seems to be no room for that very obvious concept. nt TeamProg Dec 2023 #22

Nope. Criticisms of Netanyahu (specifically) have almost stopdiggin Dec 2023 #44

I can say that I alerted a post calling Netanyahu a rat and Likud vermin AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #64

yep. hate speech. and hardly an example of the strawman being foisted ... -(nt)- stopdiggin Dec 2023 #71

I disagree. I criticize Netanyahu a lot and nobody ever calls that antisemitism. yardwork Dec 2023 #88

See? It's really not that hard mcar Dec 2023 #139

Yes exactly. And who is the head of Hamas? The people here or in other countries are not at fault. Like i said Srkdqltr Dec 2023 #144

This should go well Prairie Gates Dec 2023 #28

Prairie Gate TeamProg Dec 2023 #159

When I tripped over my shoes this morning, it was one clumsy act. Torchlight Dec 2023 #32

I've seen virulent antisemitism (in protests, slogans, speeches, ect.) repeatedly stopdiggin Dec 2023 #38

Just yesterday some were twisting themselves into pretzels defending the JohnSJ Dec 2023 #92

ALL of those Presidents should step down. That was ridiculous. oldsoftie Dec 2023 #179

Thank you for pointing out that which is and has been clearly discernible to me cornball 24 Dec 2023 #41

even ONE accusation of anti-semitism is too many? fishwax Dec 2023 #53

It is an easy go to for one side to use treestar Dec 2023 #58

Agreed....and makes we wonder whether the accusations are to divide us here on DU? Chakaconcarne Dec 2023 #59

I feel the same way angrychair Dec 2023 #60

What Makes The Thing Tricky, Sir The Magistrate Dec 2023 #69

I was talking to a devout Jewish woman yesterday who is totally against the war and hates Netanyahu with a passion kimbutgar Dec 2023 #72

I was appauled when Netanyahu was re-elected. riversedge Dec 2023 #80

Yes, he's giving Israel a bad name. LeftInTX Dec 2023 #115

If you have a chance John Oliver did a great segment explaining the Israel/ Palestine/Hamas situation that kimbutgar Dec 2023 #119

Well, anti-semitism obviously predates the founding of Israel. iemanja Dec 2023 #124

and way, WAY predates Netanyahu stopdiggin Dec 2023 #130

How did she explain the thousands of years TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #188

SILLINESS here and all over. elleng Dec 2023 #83

Yup... You are so right. hlthe2b Dec 2023 #145

And if one expresses their opposition to Israel's policies by vandalizing onenote Dec 2023 #152

'Vandalizing Jewish owned businesses, or sending bomb threats' elleng Dec 2023 #160

Yes they are. And they also are acts of antisemitism onenote Dec 2023 #161

"Anti-Semitism, that is, being against Semitic people" egduj Dec 2023 #162

Utter foolishness, huh? yardwork Dec 2023 #164

Is saying the Balfour Declaration of 1917 was very wrong and led to decades of violence DBoon Dec 2023 #86

A national home for Jewish people is wrong. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #189

When will people learn to seperate individual citizens from Delmette2.0 Dec 2023 #97

That entire area has been a quagmire forever DENVERPOPS Dec 2023 #98

I was a Clinton delegate to the 2016 national convention LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #110

I'm so sorry that happened to you, Cha Dec 2023 #113

That sucks LeftInTX Dec 2023 #114

O M G! Just more proof that there are A-holes in every cross-section of society. Priests, lawyers, teachers, artists, TeamProg Dec 2023 #134

I recall during that time mcar Dec 2023 #140

Yes, I think this gets to the bottom of it, at least Nixie Dec 2023 #157

This was also the convention where there was planned booing stunts of John Lewis and others LetMyPeopleVote Dec 2023 #163

It makes me think about the old saw about sausages: "People who love sausages should never see them made." marble falls Dec 2023 #176

There is no excuse for this happening and what did Nixie Dec 2023 #184

I remember you sharing that harrowing experience with us Hekate Dec 2023 #194

And my list grows longer BannonsLiver Dec 2023 #125

Your ignore list? TeamProg Dec 2023 #127

Lol BannonsLiver Dec 2023 #128

Oh YES! BERNIE is DEFINITELY an 'anti-semite'!!!! DemocraticPatriot Dec 2023 #131

There were multiple threads (one in particular was a shitshow) where many anti Sanders/ anti progressive Celerity Dec 2023 #183

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck Patton French Dec 2023 #175

Or Rich Little. marble falls Dec 2023 #178

I'm with claudette Dec 2023 #180

Adding (both sides) does not cause Hamas to abide by a cease fire TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #190

Of course Tlaib is an antisemite AkFemDem Dec 2023 #201