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198. On the other hand, today I read an article which said 20% of Israeli ground casualties in Gaza

Wed Dec 13, 2023, 01:23 AM

Dec 2023

were due to 'friendly fire' or accidents--- and that the IDF was confirming that....

If they can't help killing so many of their own soldiers in Gaza, that doesn't bode well for the Gazan civilians, does it....

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"Please Stop This War Against Us": Gaza Doctor Begs for World's Help as Hunger & Disease Spread [View all] Nanjeanne Dec 2023 OP

Only Hamas can do that, and they don"t want to. Fozzledick Dec 2023 #1

Thanks for sharing. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #3

It is the truth though. Hamas broke the ceasefire on October 7th. And they broke the recent humanitarian emulatorloo Dec 2023 #117

The people of Gaza are at the mercy of TWO 'inhumame groups': DemocraticPatriot Dec 2023 #157

I wish we would cut off Netanyahu and his far right government entirely. Sky Jewels Dec 2023 #204

You're quite welcome. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #205

No claudette Dec 2023 #12

Who violated not 1 but 2 cease fires? Sal_NV Dec 2023 #14

You add nothing to this discussion of an extremely dangerous catastrophe for two million people Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #22

I add what I add, Sal_NV Dec 2023 #23

This is not about you or me. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #28

I very much appreciate Sal's contributions so far. Though I understand some folks are frustrated when slapped tritsofme Dec 2023 #31

He actually lives in some kind of alternative reality, Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #38

Fact rather than fiction and hand waiving, is what they are bringing. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #138

What fiction and handwringing? Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #143

Then those humanitarian groups never saw Aleppo or Grozny Arazi Dec 2023 #186

Israel is being singled out now by most of the world because they are killing the Gazans NOW. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #188

Those other wars are happening now too Arazi Dec 2023 #189

The psy-op meme is a psy-op Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #190

Only Israel and its supporters are receiving this kind of opprobrium Arazi Dec 2023 #191

You are writing talking points. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #232

How many more innocent deaths are ok with you? BuddhaGirl Dec 2023 #30

They never answer that question. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #67

I'm never ok with innocent deaths, and I've never said I am, Sal_NV Dec 2023 #78

It's one thing to say you are not OK with innocent deaths, but that has to mean all innocent deaths. AloeVera Dec 2023 #155

"but who started the war?" DemocraticPatriot Dec 2023 #165

As many as Hamas leaders are willing to tolerate. CincyDem Dec 2023 #99

My God. AloeVera Dec 2023 #156

I know - it's terrible that so many people are unable to see the clear path to shutting all this down. CincyDem Dec 2023 #158

Those suffering people had NOTHING to do with this fiasco. AloeVera Dec 2023 #166

How many more innocent Israeli citizens are you ok with if HAMAS remains in power? Sal_NV Dec 2023 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author Sal_NV Dec 2023 #74

Questions such as this do not belong on DU. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #86

Did you say the same thing to this post? Sal_NV Dec 2023 #91

Strangely, the response was they never answer that TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #140

Funny how nobody DEMANDS that Egypt take in all the Gaza refugees in their plentiful Sinai land... brooklynite Dec 2023 #95

Funny that Israel did not allow the women and children to leave the Strip through it's gates as well. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #101

"This is not Egypt's fault." Nixie Dec 2023 #212

That is not logic that holds up under the evidence we are seeing every day Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #217

There isn't ever much logic to slaughtering people. Nixie Dec 2023 #223

Of course, except this war did not start really start in October. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #226

Palestinians enid602 Dec 2023 #113

Actually... AloeVera Dec 2023 #153

I demand that Egypt take in all the Gaza refugees! DemocraticPatriot Dec 2023 #162

What did I say that wasn't true? Sal_NV Dec 2023 #24

I really do not care if they violated 10 ceasefires; it is immaterial at this point. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #29

So you prefer a one-sided "ceasefire" where Hamas is allowed to kill Jews tritsofme Dec 2023 #37

Israelis certainly seems to be able to defend themselves Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #39

Right, they should just sit by while Hamas murders Jews tritsofme Dec 2023 #42

You are pushing the boundaries with this comment. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #45

I'm not sure how else to describe a one sided ceasefire. How else could it work? tritsofme Dec 2023 #47

Oh God as a Jew I am horrified at your remark.Jews can defend themselves. All human beings Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #51

The proposition is that a ceasefire be imposed where Hamas is able to continue targeting Jews tritsofme Dec 2023 #52

Israel responded. The proposition is that a ceasefire be imposed so that aid can get in, hostages can Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #56

Hamas stopped releasing hostages and broke the last such ceasefire. tritsofme Dec 2023 #58

Ok then your mind is made up. But you know negotiations are hard. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #62

Hamas stopped releasing hostages Dorian Gray Dec 2023 #207

Good old 10/7 safe. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #206

That is exactly what is going to happen eom JustAnotherGen Dec 2023 #40

Precisely. It's the Opposite of "immaterial". I'm not talking Cha Dec 2023 #59

Signs of being on the dumbest timeline TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #137

Good Question!! Rec Cha Dec 2023 #141

The cognitive dissonance is astounding. tritsofme Dec 2023 #142

Breaking ceasefires is immaterial to ceasefires? TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #136

As I said you, one would think you are here to demean those who speak up Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #145

I'm for whatever I believe is right regardless of popularity TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #174

I've said this before, the pro-Palestinian group is falling for propaganda Arazi Dec 2023 #187

Lack of reason is beyond my scope TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #208

The logic of the heart speaks a different language Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #216

That is an incomplete truth and not helpful of which you PufPuf23 Dec 2023 #48

And so do the Palestinians, Sal_NV Dec 2023 #80

Rec... TY for your CONTRIBUTIONS, Sal. You know Cha Dec 2023 #68

Does a ceasefire include your armed forces not killing civilians? AloeVera Dec 2023 #151

Of course not malaise Dec 2023 #178

Real Estate enid602 Dec 2023 #55

And delivering Gaza is Netanyahu's only play at this point Bettie Dec 2023 #60

Diversion enid602 Dec 2023 #92

Yep, he is Bettie Dec 2023 #123

Era enid602 Dec 2023 #139

Spot on. AloeVera Dec 2023 #159

if this was about real estate lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #130

Evidence? AloeVera Dec 2023 #163

HAMAS doesn't want to end the war either, they have said so.... DemocraticPatriot Dec 2023 #160

Claudette, dear........... I sympathize with you, BUT--- DemocraticPatriot Dec 2023 #161

There are no good guys here Bettie Dec 2023 #171

Hamas has asked for cease-fire on their terms of course. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #175

But they also want a 'never-ending war'.... DemocraticPatriot Dec 2023 #193

I agree. Both Hamas and Netanyahu want this war to continue. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #195

President Biden is very 'old school' and slower to react---- DemocraticPatriot Dec 2023 #196

Yes I agree. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #197

On the other hand, today I read an article which said 20% of Israeli ground casualties in Gaza DemocraticPatriot Dec 2023 #198

It does not. That is a startling and disturbing number. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #199

The article also noted that many Israeli casualties may have been due to DemocraticPatriot Dec 2023 #200

I did not know that about the Israeli bombing casualties either. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #202

They could have kept the one they had or agree to the terms agreed upon TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #201

Kentuckian, you make your thoughts clear. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #203

Perspective acknowledged TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #220

Hamas only wants a ceasefire to catch their breath and recover LymphocyteLover Dec 2023 #192

Rec.. Exactly and GD Butchers of HAMAS Don't want a Cha Dec 2023 #50

Not exactly - most countries when attacked don't commit genocide womanofthehills Dec 2023 #69

And by their logic, the excuses they use to justify.... onecaliberal Dec 2023 #71

This is claudette Dec 2023 #109

Also ...just begging Israel to stop this war that was started by their leaders? Not please everybody stop the GuppyGal Dec 2023 #96

Geez. AloeVera Dec 2023 #164

please rise up against Hamas lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #2

He's a little busy right now. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #5

not too busy, apparently, to do an interview begging the war to stop lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #16

I'm so glad that's what you got from his plea. Humanity thanks you. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #19

And there it is again. Sal_NV Dec 2023 #20

Yes humanity does thank you. They shouldn't? If they shouldn't thank you for your caring - then Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #46

please, tell me YOUR plan to stop the war lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #21

It's a difficult answer and many more thoughtful people are pondering it. I doubt you have any real Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #35

ok lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #73

Sorry posting on phone. I'll check links later. I did quick search while waiting in post office. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #77

Yes please fix the links. Thank you! emulatorloo Dec 2023 #132

Will do tomorrow when I get get to my computer! Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #147

Only one link was off - and it's fixed now. Despite what one person disregards - there's some very thoughtful reading Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #176

Please tell me claudette Dec 2023 #13

well, for one thing, there are 1 million adults there lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #17

You are actually blaming these people for starving themselves to death? Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #26

And where would claudette Dec 2023 #32

where does resistance movement from time immemorial get their weapons lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #90

Again claudette Dec 2023 #106

they have a much better chance of getting Hamas than does the IDF lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #128

That last claudette Dec 2023 #148

sorry if it offended you lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #149

Ceasefire now or death for many now. AloeVera Dec 2023 #168

The Hamas / Gazan Military JustAnotherGen Dec 2023 #43

The starving claudette Dec 2023 #107

So all 2 million of them now are sick injured and dying? EX500rider Dec 2023 #194

LOL. AloeVera Dec 2023 #167

You do realize how insensitive and uninformed this sounds. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #25

Many seem to have a knee jerk response and no desire to actually be thoughtful or humane. It's Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #36

As long as there are compassionate thoughtful people like you Nanjeanne, Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #44

Your kind. But I'm frightened. I've got family in Tel Aviv who work for peace organizations and Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #49

Give me a break womanofthehills Dec 2023 #88

with the exception of the blindfold and handcuffs on the father lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #94

You really want to stop the war? Sal_NV Dec 2023 #4

I really want to stop the war but I'm afraid I'm not in touch with Hamas. Thanks for your input. Humanity thanks you. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #6

You just couldn't resist the snide little remark could you? Sal_NV Dec 2023 #15

You do know that your remarks are extremely insensitive. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #27

Sorry you are offended. I'm offended by your flippant thoughtless answers to problems requiring Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #53

What is disingenuous about going to the source? TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #120

People hand waved 10/7?Hostages still captive? Rapists hand waved? Never saw that on DU. Guess i Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #127

Worse than hand waved. EllieBC Dec 2023 #154

Oh and a giant one. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #121

Someone hand waved using human shields? - that's disgraceful. There's no excuse for using people Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #126

Your posts are Reality Based and that seems to offend. Cha Dec 2023 #84

Are you authorized to speak for all of humanity? EX500rider Dec 2023 #152

I speak for myself. I worry about humanity. You want to get that gig. Have empathy, compassion. It works. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #169

Empathy can cloud reason at times EX500rider Dec 2023 #181

The deaths from dehydration and dysintery will come before starvation. maxsolomon Dec 2023 #7

This message was self-deleted by its author EX500rider Dec 2023 #83

Oh wow! It is called "The War and Peace Report" Now I'm convinced. NoRethugFriends Dec 2023 #8

Thanks for listening. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #9

Oh, you're so nice. NoRethugFriends Dec 2023 #10

Thanks! I try to be. As I'm sure you do too. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #11

The far far left, is sooo far left that lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #18

Hate Speech is Protected by the U.S. Constitution Renaissance Man Dec 2023 #34

I agree hate speech is protected by the Constitution. It doesn't mean these private universities tritsofme Dec 2023 #65

Is it permissible according to the Constitution? Renaissance Man Dec 2023 #81

Are you sure that's true? It could be statutorily required? tritsofme Dec 2023 #85

With all due respect, you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the First Amendment. Jedi Guy Dec 2023 #230

Take a Look at Harvard's Code of Conduct Renaissance Man Dec 2023 #243

If you are interested in hearing from Holocaust scholar Omer Barton and journalist and teacher, Peter Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #61

calling for a cease fire lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #82

Hate Speech is Permitted by the First Amendment Renaissance Man Dec 2023 #89

Why the need to mock? Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #76

Are you now the moderator of all posts? NoRethugFriends Dec 2023 #87

DU has standards. I support them. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #102

If the standards are violated, Sal_NV Dec 2023 #103

Not always. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #104

I would never alert, Sal_NV Dec 2023 #105

I would hope Sal that no one would call you that here. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #108

What someone calls me or thinks of me on DU Sal_NV Dec 2023 #110

Could not agree with you more. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #129

OMG It's a ChanuChristmas Miracle! I agree with you!!! See? Common ground. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #111

+100. Sal_NV Dec 2023 #112

We probably agree on alot of other issues, just not this one. nt Sal_NV Dec 2023 #114

Well now you are pushing it!!!! Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #115

I will now proudly rec. your post. Sal_NV Dec 2023 #116

"Hamas is killing its own people!" moondust Dec 2023 #33

The only solution is a diplomatic one redqueen Dec 2023 #41

Who would lead such negotiations for Palestinians today? tritsofme Dec 2023 #54

You would think people would realize you can't bomb a problem out of existence by now. Oneironaut Dec 2023 #66

Surely we must be learning. redqueen Dec 2023 #98

Yeah, everyone knows the real path is to send in death squads TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #125

Post removed Post removed Dec 2023 #57

It really does seem that way Bettie Dec 2023 #63

It's downright ghoulish. demmiblue Dec 2023 #122

FUCKING BUTCHERS of HAMAS ARE the Fucking GHOULS. Cha Dec 2023 #184

Frightening isn't it? nt Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #64

This is a ridiculous accusation. However it is exactly what Hamas says it would do to Jews tritsofme Dec 2023 #70

He likely voted for Hamas. They are the elected government of Gaza. nt LexVegas Dec 2023 #75

Oh yes. Very likely. That was only 17 years ago and he did look old. That must be it. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #79

I hope that never in my life democrank Dec 2023 #93

Same. n/t demmiblue Dec 2023 #124

A ceasefire is pro-Hamas... gives them time to restock and rearm. Promote peace. keithbvadu2 Dec 2023 #97

Senator Sanders nailed Hamas yesterday on how violate ceasefires: emulatorloo Dec 2023 #119

The war won't stop, the dying won't stop 0rganism Dec 2023 #100

Some people seem to think that one must cheer the civilian deaths in Gaza or Autumn Dec 2023 #118

What's odd is that I posted this doctor's plea because it brought me to tears this morning Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #131

It's horrible. What is the point of trashing Jewish elders who want what is happening to the Autumn Dec 2023 #133

Yeah bringing out a lot of ugliness I preferred not seeing. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #135

some of us look beyond this week and this month. lapfog_1 Dec 2023 #134

Humanness just doesn't translate to impunity for TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #144

I didn't realize the doctor, his colleagues, and all those children and thousands of innocents were Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #146

Nobody thinks that. What a silly statement. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #209

Which people "cheer the civilian deaths"? Can you be specific? Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #234

Hope this helps. If not it must just be your specific personal experience. Autumn Dec 2023 #235

Who are these people? Where are they? Any evidence that they exist? Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #236

Again. If you haven't seen it it must just be YOUR specific personal experience and I can't help you. Autumn Dec 2023 #237

Evasive and non-responsive answers reveal much * Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #238

Whatever. You have a nice day. Autumn Dec 2023 #239

It's EXACTLY as I say. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #240

Good for you! Autumn Dec 2023 #241

Thanks, I know. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #242

The war can be over in less than 24 hours. All Hamas has to do is surrender, turn over ALL kelly1mm Dec 2023 #150

Nothing is easy peasy. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #170

If you know they wont... AloeVera Dec 2023 #172

Because it is A solution that rational actors COULD take even if just to stop the needless kelly1mm Dec 2023 #185

Seems to me expecting people you consider terrorists to do the "right thing" AloeVera Dec 2023 #210

I would love for my solution to be done. I highly doubt it will. In the event that Hamas does kelly1mm Dec 2023 #229

That is a very clear position. We can agree to disagree, then. AloeVera Dec 2023 #231

Yes. I realize that the actions of the IDF in Gaza kelly1mm Dec 2023 #233

Hamas is just as likely to do that.. Captain Stern Dec 2023 #173

Yeah, HAMAS Doesn't Give a SHIT About the Palestinians So Cha Dec 2023 #183

Has this same doctor called for Hamas to release all prisoners and then surrender unconditionally? LonePirate Dec 2023 #177

I don't know. I haven't asked him and he seemed a bit busy. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #179

I try not to wade into this much, except to say.. mvd Dec 2023 #180

Your elected political leaders started a war. W_HAMILTON Dec 2023 #182

The last election was over 17 years ago obamanut2012 Dec 2023 #211

And? W_HAMILTON Dec 2023 #213

Israel is working on a lot of things right now. AloeVera Dec 2023 #215

They are working on eliminating Hamas... W_HAMILTON Dec 2023 #218

"Doing it for them" or... AloeVera Dec 2023 #221

It's not about freeing them. W_HAMILTON Dec 2023 #224

The last election was 17 years ago obamanut2012 Dec 2023 #227

And? W_HAMILTON Dec 2023 #228

No one under 35 voted for them. Of the rest, only 45% did. AloeVera Dec 2023 #214

If Gazans don't support them, why are they still in power? W_HAMILTON Dec 2023 #219

It's nice of Israel to free the Palestinians from under the Hamas yoke. AloeVera Dec 2023 #222

Gazans have had almost two decades to do so. W_HAMILTON Dec 2023 #225