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SlimJimmy

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30. Dresden

Thu Dec 14, 2023, 11:06 PM

Dec 2023

It is thought that some 25,000–35,000 civilians died in Dresden in the air attacks, though some estimates are as high as 250,000, given the influx of undocumented refugees that had fled to Dresden from the Eastern Front. Most of the victims were women, children, and the elderly.
https://www.britannica.com/event/bombing-of-Dresden

I think your math might be off by a huge margin. And this number doesn't include the civilian deaths in Japan.

The civilian to combatant fatality ratio in World War II lies somewhere between 3:2 and 2:1, or from 60% to 67%.

Also see this ...

which has killed civillians at a rate 4x the civillian death rate in WW II. Hmm.

Amongst those killed in that period, 69% of Israelis were civilians, while the report estimated 59% of Palestinian casualties were civilians.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civilian_casualty_ratio

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This is only my second post about the war between Israel and Hamas [View all] Stinky The Clown Dec 2023 OP

Killing journalists is going way too far.Attacking journalist is another way of saying there's something to hide Walleye Dec 2023 #1

yes... K&R WarGamer Dec 2023 #2

👍 claudette Dec 2023 #3

Thank you for posting this. Think. Again. Dec 2023 #4

Succinct. cachukis Dec 2023 #5

You are absolutely correct. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #6

Agreed TexasDem69 Dec 2023 #7

Not of the former is a precondition to the latter. n/t Ms. Toad Dec 2023 #8

Why shouldn't it be a precondition? TexasDem69 Dec 2023 #10

Absolutely... revmclaren Dec 2023 #16

Israel has an obligation to minimize civillian deaths. Ms. Toad Dec 2023 #19

There are many current conflicts we're arming Arazi Dec 2023 #22

Of course, I knew what you were going to say before I read your post. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #32

30 million dying of starvation in Sudan right now Arazi Dec 2023 #9

If it's not covered by commondreams or al Jazeera revmclaren Dec 2023 #11

Actually it is covered by AlJazeera. Much more than by MSNBC or CNN. Most non USA networks Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #12

Wow, i checked out their story on the suffering revmclaren Dec 2023 #13

Post it. You can you know. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #15

Of corse i can, and will. revmclaren Dec 2023 #18

The argument is that ANY criticism of Israel is "singling it out" and wrong. Of course it's nonsense. David__77 Dec 2023 #33

Believe me I know exactly what they are implying. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #36

I don't know about that Mossfern Dec 2023 #41

I wasn't talking about your post. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #42

I was responding to Post #33 Mossfern Dec 2023 #44

I wasn't referring to anything you posted. David__77 Dec 2023 #46

... Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #47

... Mossfern Dec 2023 #48

Yes that's why I posted the laugh. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #49

It's more an observation that armchair critics are very selective Arazi Dec 2023 #17

I'm losing count. revmclaren Dec 2023 #21

Spot on, and thanks for keeping it honest. Abolishinist Dec 2023 #31

We all understand your shameful inference. But here's a thought. I'm a Jew. I have family in Israel. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #37

but whatabout... jcgoldie Dec 2023 #20

This isn't "whataboutism" Arazi Dec 2023 #25

The US is providing significant humanitarian aid to Sudan Ms. Toad Dec 2023 #23

I don't recall your outrage over US arming groups in Ethiopia Arazi Dec 2023 #26

Or perhaps there wasn't a significant portion of DU repeatedly and daily defending Ms. Toad Dec 2023 #35

Dresden SlimJimmy Dec 2023 #30

I did the math in response the claim that the death rate was higher in WWII posted here a couple of days ago. Ms. Toad Dec 2023 #34

I just proved them wrong. SlimJimmy Dec 2023 #40

The Gaza Government JustAnotherGen Dec 2023 #43

Agreed. SlimJimmy Dec 2023 #50

Agreed. Netanyahu/Likud allowed suitcases of cash from Qutar to flown... brush Dec 2023 #14

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You speak for me. Thanks for Posting. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 2023 #27

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Context is always important SlimJimmy Dec 2023 #29

Whoa JustAnotherGen Dec 2023 #45

I'm sure this fact will do nothing to temper the "Hamas doesn't represent the Palestinian people" canard. n/t CincyDem Dec 2023 #52

I posted in reply to one particular post but I'm adding to this thread because I just feel it's important. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #38

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My sentiments exactly. marble falls Dec 2023 #51