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madaboutharry

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57. I was watching Israeli news when this story broke.

Sat Dec 16, 2023, 11:24 AM

Dec 2023

The people broadcasting, all of whom themselves had been in the military, were visibly shaken and left with an inability to explain it.

The loss of 3 hostages under these circumstances is a tragedy for the young men who lost their lives and for those that loved them. The IDF has taken full responsibility. acknowledging there was a breakdown in protocol and a failure to provide adequate training along with a failure to take into account that hostages could escape or be abandoned.

Among some, Hamas gets a global pass on its complete disregard for the rules of war while Israel is held to an impossible standard that applies only to one country. The reaction to any news about this war has become so predictable that it is an example of pavlovian theory.

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Israeli military accidentally shoots and kills 3 Israelis held hostage in Gaza [View all] Donkees Dec 2023 OP

Damn. That sucks. Way to go IDF. underpants Dec 2023 #1

That's a MAJOR fuck-up..... Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #2

Can anyone seriously not believe that the IDF has not dropped bombs on hostages already? PufPuf23 Dec 2023 #3

Hmmm...as hostages they probably didn't have guns. So shoot anything that moves first, ask questions later is policy. dutch777 Dec 2023 #4

Any investigation of this sort needs to be headed by an impartial team-like a riversedge Dec 2023 #16

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2023 #5

I'm sure they were armed and posing a threat? Yes? Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2023 #6

Well that is horrible FHRRK Dec 2023 #7

Plus 1 Demovictory9 Dec 2023 #26

Unfortunately we seem to be alone on this line of thought FHRRK Dec 2023 #27

The three were trying to escape their captors but were misidentified by IDF soldiers as terrorists Donkees Dec 2023 #8

OMG this is so tragic. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #9

Did the IDF manage to kill any of the Hamas soldiers that the three hostages were escaping from? Autumn Dec 2023 #10

Tragic. And I am disgusted by the responses that bame Israel for their deaths. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #11

Disgusting, but oh so predictable. Coventina Dec 2023 #13

When "stupid" bombs are dropped in Gaza, almost impossible not to have PufPuf23 Dec 2023 #18

The hostages were killed during a firefight between IDF and hamas militants! Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #20

Exactly. These 3 hostages seem to be getting all the outrage Nixie Dec 2023 #36

I had an expectation what direction this would head sarisataka Dec 2023 #19

Post removed Post removed Dec 2023 #23

I've had this image this past week Sympthsical Dec 2023 #24

seriously... wtf Celerity Dec 2023 #25

WTF WOW! Emile Dec 2023 #28

Yes, something like this reveals how deep is the hatred JI7 Dec 2023 #39

The IDF admitted responsibility. Voltaire2 Dec 2023 #31

No. Because, like any rational person, I can tell the difference between accepting blame and admitting responsibility. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #33

Interesting. Could you describe the difference Voltaire2 Dec 2023 #43

By all means. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #44

Ok I think I understand what you mean. Voltaire2 Dec 2023 #45

Almost there. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #46

Why was it inadvertent? Voltaire2 Dec 2023 #49

Curious, you are amswering your own questions. Someone might mistake it for self-deprecation Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #50

Not inadvertent. Voltaire2 Dec 2023 #51

Now, you are just trying to split hairs, and failing at it. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #54

lol. That hair was already split. Voltaire2 Dec 2023 #59

And deflecting from your fallacies. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #65

Cheney was not being shot at. The IDF was being targeted and fired upon by the terrorists JI7 Dec 2023 #55

These three unfortunate people were waving a white flag and had removed their shirts Voltaire2 Dec 2023 #58

What's interesting is the there are no apologies for all killings of other non-combatants. David__77 Dec 2023 #56

Like you, I am disgusted with some of the responses, but not at all surprised. Behind the Aegis Dec 2023 #37

This is not the first time moniss Dec 2023 #12

So maybe if Jerusalem hadn't been so eager to resume killing moniss Dec 2023 #14

Are you aware it was Hamas that chose to not extend the ceasefire sarisataka Dec 2023 #17

Blame the Jews Mountainguy Dec 2023 #30

blame "the Jews"? TiberiusB Dec 2023 #42

According to Jerusalem moniss Dec 2023 #34

IIRC that announcement came after sarisataka Dec 2023 #38

If you actually knew my position you would know that moniss Dec 2023 #41

Hamas started shooting rockets one hour before the ceasefire ended LeftInTX Dec 2023 #47

The ending of talking and resumption of killing has moniss Dec 2023 #48

It's also possible Hamas has run out of hostages who story they want told EX500rider Dec 2023 #61

Agreed 100% that the moniss Dec 2023 #67

Do you want a cease fire? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #22

I remember when Israeli commandos were precise and lethal. Baitball Blogger Dec 2023 #15

I doubt they were commandos, IDF has lots of regular combat troops deployed in Gaza EX500rider Dec 2023 #60

IDF has freed one hostage directly in their ground operations Prairie Gates Dec 2023 #21

I doubt the IDF in the confusion & combat inside the Israeli border the 1st day had much chance to keep track of them EX500rider Dec 2023 #62

IDF releases name of third hostage killed by friendly fire as Alon Lulu Shamriz, 26, from Kfar Azza Donkees Dec 2023 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Dec 2023 #32

a quarter of IDF deaths in Gaza have been friendly fire. maxsolomon Dec 2023 #35

I would shoot them, too. SarahD Dec 2023 #40

Yeah looking at released IDF combat footage shows how chaotic urban combat is EX500rider Dec 2023 #63

Israeli hostages killed mistakenly in Gaza were holding white flag, official says Eugene Dec 2023 #52

There's a separate thread on this preliminary report from earlier this morning Donkees Dec 2023 #53

I was watching Israeli news when this story broke. madaboutharry Dec 2023 #57

Yeah anyone surprised this could happen is ignorant of the actual frequency of friendly fire EX500rider Dec 2023 #64

It was reported on local news this morning. They were shirtless, waving a white cloth and yelling help in Hebrew Autumn Dec 2023 #66

They accidentally killed Israelis but WhiteTara Dec 2023 #68

"accidentally" Israeli military says soldier opened fire on hostages holding white flag. "accidentally" republianmushroom Dec 2023 #69