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elias7

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18. Maybe give Israel terms of surrender? Like it usually works in war?

Sat Dec 16, 2023, 12:07 PM

Dec 2023

I don't mean to be an asshole and I don't support what Israel is doing militarily in this moment, but this is a war and it is hard for Israel to play by the rules when Hamas, Houthis, Hezbollah are attacking Israel from all sides, using citizens as shields, and most frustratingly, not being encouraged by the rest of the world to play by the rules. These terrorist groups (or freedom fighters?) are being treated as if they have no agency for their own behavior. I don't feel that is right either.

But it so very heartening hearing of these Jewish volunteers taking the high road and helping the Palestinian shepherds; they are the bridge two seemingly irreconcilable peoples.

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If Settler Violence Wasn't Enough, Israel Is Now Depriving Jordan Valley Palestinians of Water [View all] Nanjeanne Dec 2023 OP

I've been reading about Israel's depredations on Palestinians for years. Lonestarblue Dec 2023 #1

The brazenness of cruelty is shocking. David__77 Dec 2023 #3

My hope as well Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #4

K&R stonecutter357 Dec 2023 #2

There are Israeli settlers pushing to occupy all the land from sea to river. sanatanadharma Dec 2023 #5

Actually, I heard one of the early settlers considered more or less a matriarch now, Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #60

Israel wants that land and for Palestinians to leave IronLionZion Dec 2023 #6

Self deportation... 2naSalit Dec 2023 #8

I don't see how this ends well. Even Netanyahu in the Hague TeamProg Dec 2023 #7

I can see where it's going. roamer65 Dec 2023 #9

Really? former9thward Dec 2023 #14

That's a very good point, Palestinians have been removed from other Arab nations for political interference, I believe. TeamProg Dec 2023 #36

Palestinians don't equal hamas... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #52

The Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas. former9thward Dec 2023 #54

The Palestinians in Gaza elected Hamas 17 YEARS AGO... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #56

I don't know who they surveyed or how they did it. former9thward Dec 2023 #57

My apologies... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #58

Thanks. former9thward Dec 2023 #59

Israeli brutality has taught them to hate their oppressors. /nt artemisia1 Dec 2023 #68

Such a war has been the prediction since about the 80's I'd say. Hope not. Cooler heads need to prevail. I don't TeamProg Dec 2023 #35

None of this would be happening if not for Hamas' attack on 10-7 and their subsequent breaking the ceasefire. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #10

perhaps-- but why are these Palestinians being punished? LymphocyteLover Dec 2023 #12

They are the unfortunate collateral victims of a war that Hamas started. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #15

collateral damge how cute dembotoz Dec 2023 #23

That's not what I said. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #25

Your statement is dehumanizing and minimizing of the Palestinian suffering. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #63

Think of it in terms of the fact that Hamas is brought death to civilians by hiding among civilians * Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #64

Good luck ancianita Dec 2023 #33

Those leaders will eventually have no army. Slow and steady wins the race. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #43

So Israeli settlers are agents of Hamas? Do they have no free will? ck4829 Dec 2023 #42

yes, but that doesn't answer my question LymphocyteLover Dec 2023 #48

Hamas isn't in the West Bank Basic LA Dec 2023 #16

It's really a shame that the mycelium and tendrils of war have stretched so far. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #21

Or we can blame the brutal Occupation for everything. Basic LA Dec 2023 #27

Blame the ancianita Dec 2023 #34

Why should other countries be responsible? Diraven Dec 2023 #51

There are what are called alliances and treaties. ancianita Dec 2023 #61

Hezbollah is in the West Bank. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #66

Bullshit. It HAS been happening. For decades. LuvLoogie Dec 2023 #20

I doubt that. Oopsie Daisy Dec 2023 #24

And the Muslim world has to stop coddling its believer extremists who have attacked ancianita Dec 2023 #37

Wow. Interesting take. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #38

For years I've considered it the fairest win-win solution for all parties. ancianita Dec 2023 #39

It's been happening for 70 years knightmaar Dec 2023 #30

Nope, that's impossible to say, but who doesn't like pie in the sky? Or wishful thinking. TeamProg Dec 2023 #40

Israel has been sending settlers into the West Bank since 1967 IronLionZion Dec 2023 #47

this kind of reporting-- trying to write fancy descriptive scenes when there's a more important LymphocyteLover Dec 2023 #11

Well some people may not be able to digest an article that is not a simple headline. I enjoy expressive and Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #19

It was excellent, thank you. Goddessartist Dec 2023 #44

honestly I'm glad you have time to read long articles like this LymphocyteLover Dec 2023 #49

I dont look at it as news. It's learning to me. I take my time. Read and try to digest. I enjoy it. Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #50

Access to water has been a driving force of conflict in this region for millennia Cheezoholic Dec 2023 #13

Exactly. Why is the word "now" in the headline? knightmaar Dec 2023 #31

They will face the consequences malaise Dec 2023 #17

The bank is closed today BannonsLiver Dec 2023 #26

Maybe give Israel terms of surrender? Like it usually works in war? elias7 Dec 2023 #18

I think it's more irreconcilable leaders. There are many Israeli and Palestinians working together Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #22

You think Netanyahu has played by the rules ??!! TeamProg Dec 2023 #41

Throughout moniss Dec 2023 #28

And using skunkwater, Goddessartist Dec 2023 #45

This is reminding me more and more of white settlers, Bayard Dec 2023 #29

Bingo. Think. Again. Dec 2023 #53

Jewish people are indigenous to the land. TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #67

For those who insist this is happening because of the 10/7 terrorist attack Nanjeanne Dec 2023 #32

The sad thing is that people think this is a "one off" WarGamer Dec 2023 #46

Yep... Think. Again. Dec 2023 #55

This message was self-deleted by its author redgreenandblue Dec 2023 #62

The premise is that a war if aggression was perpetrated TheKentuckian Dec 2023 #65

The question I have is why this PROGRESSIVE forum has so many apologists for genocide? /nt artemisia1 Dec 2023 #69