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OilemFirchen

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151. Huh?

Sun Dec 24, 2023, 10:47 PM

Dec 2023

Are there posters claiming that IDF soldiers are "super-humans" (sic)? Are there posters claiming that Palestinians are "not human at all"? My vision is poor, my memory is failing and I'm a bit stupid, so, if they exist, you'll have to help me find such claims.

Do you believe that IDF soldiers are deserving of empathy and/or compassion? That is, after all, the gist of what I asked.

BTW, the member who authored the post leading to this has expressed empathy toward this man several times in this thread, including in the post to which my interlocutor responded. Are you claiming otherwise?

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A Disabled Palestinian Was Carrying a Bag of Lollipops When He Was Shot by Israeli Troops [View all] David__77 Dec 2023 OP

clear at the end .. stopdiggin Dec 2023 #1

No empathy at all. No compassion. Lunabell Dec 2023 #2

Actually, that poster did show empathy. OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #33

Another "but, what about her emails?" post. Lunabell Dec 2023 #45

Another deflection reply. OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #49

The deflection started with your post. Lunabell Dec 2023 #52

What game, then, are you playing? OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #56

I read none. Lunabell Dec 2023 #57

Hard to decipher that. OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #59

I didn't justify anything. The region is on a hair-trigger and the man didn't comply with commands in a deadly situation SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #146

He is developmentally disabled. Lunabell Dec 2023 #149

What way? I'm glad they didn't kill him. Not happy he was severely injured for certain. Hamas has fucked up the area. SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #152

I have worked with developmentally disabled. SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #153

Rec Mahalo for some Really 🕯️🕊️💙 Cha Dec 2023 #105

Thanks Cha. OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #120

You're So Welcome.. and a Very Cha Dec 2023 #125

From what we've seen through this Bettie Dec 2023 #143

Huh? OilemFirchen Dec 2023 #151

no it's not...this is war... agingdem Dec 2023 #114

I don't think the many babies who have been killed were cheering. David__77 Dec 2023 #127

but their mothers and fathers did... agingdem Dec 2023 #133

Yikes. David__77 Dec 2023 #3

It's really sad. Lunabell Dec 2023 #6

What the hell does this incident have to do with Democrats? Johnny2X2X Dec 2023 #13

Not the shooting. Lunabell Dec 2023 #15

And what the hell does that have to do with the Democratic Party? Johnny2X2X Dec 2023 #36

Wow, angry much? Lunabell Dec 2023 #44

Because this is DU. Basic LA Dec 2023 #122

Sometimes an underdog doesn't deserve support Sympthsical Dec 2023 #135

Hamas is the cause of all of this fucking shit. Shit stirring terrorists and Hamas lovers love dead Palestinian children SoFlaBro Dec 2023 #147

I clearly have empathy for this individual stopdiggin Dec 2023 #63

There has to be at least one or two Israel bashing threads daily Arazi Dec 2023 #69

my point. stopdiggin Dec 2023 #71

And thank goodness therre are those brave enough to take on this duty. NoRethugFriends Dec 2023 #80

This message was self-deleted by its author JohnSJ Dec 2023 #124

I think the author provided pretty good context. David__77 Dec 2023 #128

This message was self-deleted by its author Sal_NV Dec 2023 #138

Always posted by the same 3 or 4 posters. Mountainguy Dec 2023 #150

I have worked with developmentally disabled people. Lunabell Dec 2023 #78

and developmentally disadvantaged people stopdiggin Dec 2023 #85

Blunder his way? Lunabell Dec 2023 #87

disadvantaged individuals stopdiggin Dec 2023 #90

Yes. Lunabell Dec 2023 #94

Plain evil malaise Dec 2023 #4

Yes. Lunabell Dec 2023 #5

It is the same approach that led Israel's army to kill three shirtless Israelis with a white flag. David__77 Dec 2023 #7

Or a sniper shooting at innocent women and children in a church. Lunabell Dec 2023 #8

You post this even though a simple trip to Google will reveal emphatic denials by the IDF madaboutharry Dec 2023 #32

So, the pope's a liar now? Lunabell Dec 2023 #46

I did not say the Pope is a liar. madaboutharry Dec 2023 #50

And so, we just believe them? Lunabell Dec 2023 #51

but you are obviously buying into stopdiggin Dec 2023 #68

You think the IDF is just going to admit to murder? Lunabell Dec 2023 #72

Did the IDF admit to shooting the three hostages? EX500rider Dec 2023 #156

More like fear during wartime elias7 Dec 2023 #9

Derek Chauvin-type fear David__77 Dec 2023 #10

See my update. Respectfully, I thoroughly disagree. elias7 Dec 2023 #11

This is a "but, what about her emails?" post. Lunabell Dec 2023 #16

Well, Malaise, it is not so bad, he was a Palestinian, not a real person. Chainfire Dec 2023 #55

Nobody on DU believes that Arazi Dec 2023 #70

Really, Sal_NV Dec 2023 #139

Yes, unless I was a suicide bomber and strapped explosives Nixie Dec 2023 #17

Why do people here reflexively defend EVERYTHING the IDF does? Oneironaut Dec 2023 #35

And believing the IDF is like Lunabell Dec 2023 #54

I ask myself this question everyday I come to DU. Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #64

Why do people here reflexively blame EVERYTHING on IDF, Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #100

You know the answer, we just can't say it... AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #102

For the very same reason I suppose. Oneironaut Dec 2023 #116

"The IDF are the good guys and Hamas are the bad guys!" Jedi Guy Dec 2023 #103

Yes I agree. Oneironaut Dec 2023 #117

The real question is if he were a disabled black man in the US shot by the police, Big Blue Marble Dec 2023 #62

Here's the full video Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #12

Recriminations with no ground ceded once more info presents, like the Al-Ahli hospital bombing elias7 Dec 2023 #14

One can be anti-hamas and their atrocities, Lunabell Dec 2023 #18

Can one be anti-Hamas and repeat their propaganda? AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #61

What propaganda is that? Lunabell Dec 2023 #73

Pretty much every news report from Gaza AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #74

Who says I do? Lunabell Dec 2023 #76

You certainly seem to defending this propaganda AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #77

What propaganda am I defending? Lunabell Dec 2023 #79

You could answer my questions first AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #83

I told you, I don't do "whataboutisms" Lunabell Dec 2023 #84

You don't do what aboutisms, but #48 is an entire deflection to Kyle Rittenhouse Arazi Dec 2023 #99

Oh, you so mad. Lunabell Dec 2023 #104

Not mad. Just pointing out hypocrisy when I see it Arazi Dec 2023 #107

I don't agree that the shooting was "the right thing to do". David__77 Dec 2023 #19

The challenge still stands: find me just one law enfircement manual Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #20

See this. David__77 Dec 2023 #21

Have you read it? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #25

Ah, the "Shoot-them-in-three-seconds-if-they-don't-remain-still" rule. David__77 Dec 2023 #26

In the absence of a straight answer, deflect into snark. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #29

I am not the person claiming there is such a universal protocol to shoot the mobile in three seconds. David__77 Dec 2023 #30

Yo are the person who is posting irrelevant information Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #34

And I guess Kyle Rittenhouse really was in fear for his life. Lunabell Dec 2023 #48

WTF does this ridiculous deflection have to do with this thread? Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #91

Yup. It's AlWAYS (((their))) fault. Happy Hoosier Dec 2023 #89

+1 BuddhaGirl Dec 2023 #31

Me too. Lunabell Dec 2023 #98

And there it is... AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #108

And where is that? Lunabell Dec 2023 #111

I'm not repeating it - you said it nt AZSkiffyGeek Dec 2023 #112

Said what? Lunabell Dec 2023 #115

Consistently disregarding Hamas' crucial role in the suffering of civilians is not compassion. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #106

You obviously haven't read all of my posts. Lunabell Dec 2023 #113

It was not my intention to hold a mirror to anyone's face. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #119

*sigh* BuddhaGirl Dec 2023 #132

If that is the case, it is not being reflected in their posts, Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #134

Let me chime in here, Sal_NV Dec 2023 #137

Didn't know this, but it makes perfect sense. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #142

I should clarify this, Sal_NV Dec 2023 #144

That would give you a hell of a lot more insight than I or the other poster have. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #145

You think this article shows Israel in a bad light? David__77 Dec 2023 #162

It certainly doesn't show that they acted unreasonably given the situation in a time of hightened alert. Sal_NV Dec 2023 #163

Understood. David__77 Dec 2023 #164

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays and a Happy New Year to you and your family. Sal_NV Dec 2023 #165

Thank you. Merry Christmas. David__77 Dec 2023 #166

There was nothing clearly disabled about that man. Nixie Dec 2023 #22

No offense, but, you need to learn more about mental disabilities. Oneironaut Dec 2023 #37

Thank you your self disclosures here and I hope you Nixie Dec 2023 #41

. Oneironaut Dec 2023 #42

. Nixie Dec 2023 #67

Exactly!!! Lunabell Dec 2023 #86

"Hang wringing"? Wow David__77 Dec 2023 #101

Well, "lying their asses off" would be a bit of an overreaction. So yeah. Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #109

The video shows the shooting quite clearly. David__77 Dec 2023 #121

"Hand wringing" was obviously referring to the commentaries, which were Beastly Boy Dec 2023 #131

Thank you. Exactly. I could have said propaganda or lies, Nixie Dec 2023 #154

Palestinians are using suicide bombers against the IDF Arazi Dec 2023 #23

Should they use the same shooting protocols on children too? David__77 Dec 2023 #24

Are the children suicide bombers, then yes EX500rider Dec 2023 #39

The man who was shot was not a suicide bomber. David__77 Dec 2023 #123

I didn't say he was EX500rider Dec 2023 #136

Children have been used as suicide bombers too Arazi Dec 2023 #47

Is it really your contention that a less lethal means would not have been moniss Dec 2023 #58

because it's a war? and a checkpoint with military troops rather than 'Officer Friendly'? -(nt)- stopdiggin Dec 2023 #60

Hebron is in the West Bank and is not moniss Dec 2023 #88

stand corrected. 'high alert' would probably be terminology than war stopdiggin Dec 2023 #93

His wound is preventing thousands of future wounds (and deaths)... gulliver Dec 2023 #27

I don't think this shooting saved one life or prevented one wound. David__77 Dec 2023 #28

Thanks for replying gulliver Dec 2023 #38

Yeah, I posted something similar last week: EX500rider Dec 2023 #40

Those are good points, and I agree gulliver Dec 2023 #43

Ah yes regime change has worked so well. Voltaire2 Dec 2023 #66

This is how the IDF soldiers behave toward all Palestinians in the West Bank every day. Lonestarblue Dec 2023 #53

so the checkpoints serve no purpose ? stopdiggin Dec 2023 #65

Check points do serve a purpose and moniss Dec 2023 #92

not making a case for checkpoints be 'pleasant' encounters stopdiggin Dec 2023 #96

They allow for opportunity to shoot people, for one thing. David__77 Dec 2023 #95

glad we cleared that up. -(nt)- stopdiggin Dec 2023 #97

That sounds claudette Dec 2023 #82

BS. Sal_NV Dec 2023 #140

Your post is a clear example of how propaganda works to block critical thinking. madaboutharry Dec 2023 #148

I don't think David Ignatius of the Washington Post lies. Lonestarblue Dec 2023 #155

Nowhere in the Washington Post article madaboutharry Dec 2023 #157

See what you're making us do? Iggo Dec 2023 #75

I support Israel in general, but I sure as hell don't support this Silent3 Dec 2023 #110

🥲 claudette Dec 2023 #81

Hamas has been hiding explosives in toy boxes, inside kindergartens NickB79 Dec 2023 #118

I don't think toy boxes made them shoot this man. David__77 Dec 2023 #126

If you have to worry about toy boxes holding explosives NickB79 Dec 2023 #129

I don't think the shooting is justified by such worry. David__77 Dec 2023 #130

What you think matters not one whit. Sal_NV Dec 2023 #141

Ah, so this is about experiential perception and not observable evidence? David__77 Dec 2023 #159

Suppose this man had been a suicide bomber? Sal_NV Dec 2023 #160

The valuation of lives is expressed in selected tactics. David__77 Dec 2023 #161

Lotta bootlicking in this thread, whew WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2023 #158