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Takket

(23,505 posts)
13. this is a very poor article
Fri Jan 5, 2024, 06:52 PM
Jan 2024

It gives no information on why this is being investigated as a rape. With no context of the environment the reported victim was in or why they believe this was a rape, how are we to build an informed opinion as to whether this is a cause for concern?

How was the victim "raped" in a virtual environmental with the article says includes a personal boundary?

What does this environment and the people in it look like? Were the perpetrators using cameras to "expose" themselves? Or are there "virtual" genitals? Did they use their avatars to simulate some sort of sex act upon her? We're they able to verbally abuse the victim through microphones?

What options were available to the victim? Could they have "blocked" the attackers so they cannot see them? Could they have reported them to admins?

In a real life situation it is pretty much sufficient to say a victim was "assaulted" because everyone knows what they means. But with no concept of what this game looks like, or what happened, how can one draw any kind of opinion of this novel subject? Why should we believe Meta has done anything wrong as a company when we have no idea what these claims are based on?

And I say that as a person that has NOTHING to do with any Meta product, and doesn't want to. The idea that Meta "isn't doing enough" is totally believable to me. But this article reads more like a blog post from an angry mom of a victimized child than something written by a journalist. No useful information, no context, no pictures of what the environment looks like, no comments from the family, no comments from the police. One comment from Meta.

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Sorry, but snowybirdie Jan 2024 #1
She was playing an immersive video game involving a headset and an "avatar" or character that moved the way she WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #2
A game snowybirdie Jan 2024 #3
. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #5
Interesting The Contrarian Jan 2024 #22
Crime is a social construct. At this point, according to other articles, the police are "investigating" it, so no WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #24
Is it a crime? limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #28
blocking an IP address does nothing. edisdead Jan 2024 #81
Immediately pass a law that you have to be 21 years jimfields33 Jan 2024 #105
The world is getting away from me, too nt XanaDUer2 Jan 2024 #11
Same here NickB79 Jan 2024 #33
It could be viewed as rape by proxy. no_hypocrisy Jan 2024 #4
If you're playing an online game and you shoot and kill their avatar, is it murder by proxy? MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #6
The concept of a game depends on the common rules people accept when they play together. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #9
That doesn't make sense. Is it or isn't it rape? MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #64
It's too bad this is the article that introduced this incident to the board, because it's poorly written, and people WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #69
Or perhaps snowybirdie Jan 2024 #8
Why "or"? WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #10
Your sympathy is overwhelming. NoRethugFriends Jan 2024 #53
I don't get this. Is raping programmed and allowed in the software? honest.abe Jan 2024 #70
no. and it shouldn't edisdead Jan 2024 #82
Dangerously watering down the concept in my eyes TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #7
I think there's a strange dynamic, motivated by the laudable desire to make sure rape is taken seriously... Silent3 Jan 2024 #17
Exactly LearnedHand Jan 2024 #61
Exactly edisdead Jan 2024 #83
This isn't new Sympthsical Jan 2024 #12
Oh man. Goldshire Inn. I made a toon on an RP server, went to Goldshire, and logged out traumatized. Jedi Guy Jan 2024 #59
I was an EQ2 guy, then dropped it for LOTRO. Xolodno Jan 2024 #63
Agree with almost everything edisdead Jan 2024 #84
Your post raises a question I've had since I found this thread; robbob Jan 2024 #102
this is a very poor article Takket Jan 2024 #13
It's not a news article. There are links to news articles about it in the article. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #14
great points and questions edisdead Jan 2024 #85
This is why Mossfern Jan 2024 #15
Depends where you live. OAITW r.2.0 Jan 2024 #32
Hahaha yeah books never have graphic content. edisdead Jan 2024 #86
People get "virtually" killed as well in games. So virtual murder charges? harumph Jan 2024 #16
As you can surely understand, one is part of the game, the other isn't. NoRethugFriends Jan 2024 #55
Do we know that? edisdead Jan 2024 #87
Kick nt XanaDUer2 Jan 2024 #18
Surprised by some response. limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #19
If this girl felt violated by this then it should be investigated. Swede Jan 2024 #20
As soon as she started feeling uncomfortable she should have removed herself from that situation ripcord Jan 2024 #23
Who says she didn't? Whatever she experienced caused emotional and psychological trauma. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #26
I don't get your point? robbob Jan 2024 #103
Gamers design their avatars, physique, hair, clothes, give them names. Swede Jan 2024 #29
She could log off/exit game to save her avatar also EX500rider Jan 2024 #52
These trolls will move on to the next victim. Swede Jan 2024 #58
I'm not. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #21
If directed to me, I know. limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #30
I don't think many here disagree with it being harassment edisdead Jan 2024 #88
I'm confused. Can someone explain step by step ecstatic Jan 2024 #25
Depending on the game, you can hinder a person's progress. With real-time audio, people can describe what they WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #34
Yes. Just because they aren't physically attacking her it is emotional. LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #42
There is the appropriate word. Harassment. edisdead Jan 2024 #89
Is this satire? TexasDem69 Jan 2024 #27
It's 2024. Swede Jan 2024 #31
So 2024 satire? TexasDem69 Jan 2024 #35
What if the girl was your daughter? Swede Jan 2024 #37
She could have pushed the power button TexasDem69 Jan 2024 #39
Read this post. Swede Jan 2024 #43
My daughter would have enough sense to push the power button TexasDem69 Jan 2024 #44
Teens commit suicide over the stuff on the internet. Swede Jan 2024 #47
Cyber bullying is terrible TexasDem69 Jan 2024 #49
Just lay back and enjoy the ride. Swede Jan 2024 #50
You do understand that the avatar isn't real? TexasDem69 Jan 2024 #51
You do realise her pain was real? Swede Jan 2024 #54
Apparently unable to process that concept. NoRethugFriends Jan 2024 #57
So do you think this is a criminal offense? The Contrarian Jan 2024 #66
Cyber bullying and harassment are very real and terrible things edisdead Jan 2024 #90
That is a catastrophic failure to instil coping skills, TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #109
Well they'd reply to you but they're dead. Swede Jan 2024 #110
What your daughter would (or woildn't) do is irrelevant. NoRethugFriends Jan 2024 #56
but that question was posed to them... edisdead Jan 2024 #91
Young woman's description limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #36
That is sick behavior of them. They need to be blocked from using it. LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #41
I wonder how many rape victims edisdead Jan 2024 #92
Just thinking about how often my character was killed and his corpse teabagged in Halo multiplayer NickB79 Jan 2024 #38
Sounds like consent was involved all around. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #46
Nah, a lot of people get worked up big time over it NickB79 Jan 2024 #48
Why does the game have the option to rape young girls? LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #40
It doesn't. The players banded together to corner the avatar and verbally assault the player. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #45
There ya go. Verbal assault. edisdead Jan 2024 #93
That is my question, why is Bettie Jan 2024 #62
it likely doesn't edisdead Jan 2024 #96
Men are prosecuted all the time for stalking, harassing, LearnedHand Jan 2024 #60
Those things are true. edisdead Jan 2024 #94
Good points LearnedHand Jan 2024 #107
Just take the headset off? Patton French Jan 2024 #65
How do you confirm a virtual rape? Ferrets are Cool Jan 2024 #67
Sacrificing an element of privacy? limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #74
Ok, let me try a different tack....how would a lawyer prove that she had been "virtually" raped? Ferrets are Cool Jan 2024 #76
That is admittedly problematic. limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #79
We are on the same page. Ferrets are Cool Jan 2024 #80
Then call it sexual harssment. edisdead Jan 2024 #95
Excellent, well-reasoned points LearnedHand Jan 2024 #106
A different word is needed. Rape has a legal definition. MineralMan Jan 2024 #68
Sounds like the cyber version of what we used to call an "obscene phone call." Iggo Jan 2024 #71
I'm dumb XanaDUer2 Jan 2024 #72
I am pretty sure I have never been as disappointed by a discussion here- coffeenap Jan 2024 #73
+1 berniesandersmittens Jan 2024 #75
I think that edisdead Jan 2024 #97
The game owners should imprison the avatars involved. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #77
This is a serious question XanaDUer2 Jan 2024 #78
Ever hear of "tombstoning"? nt yagotme Jan 2024 #99
Yes, here XanaDUer2 Jan 2024 #100
Game world equivalent to tombstoning needs to be applied to them. nt yagotme Jan 2024 #101
Here is the legal definition of rape edisdead Jan 2024 #98
Watching people who have their identities wrapped up in text-only message boards Prairie Gates Jan 2024 #104
Maybe we can stop blaming the victim for using the wrong words to describe what happened to her? LearnedHand Jan 2024 #108
This is sexual harrassment Zeitghost Jan 2024 #111
Adding some thoughts limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #112
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