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Haggard Celine

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1. What is the point?

Reply to Towlie (Original post)

Sat Jan 6, 2024, 07:50 PM

Jan 2024

Why would anybody want to do that?

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Does the Navajo Nation have a legitimate argument against sending human remains to the Moon? [View all] Towlie Jan 2024 OP

What is the point? Haggard Celine Jan 2024 #1

Families arranged to have their cremains placed up there. Navajo say the moon is sacred, so can't have cremains there. LeftInTX Jan 2024 #6

I guess I just don't see what is to be gained by doing that. Haggard Celine Jan 2024 #9

What sort of unintended consequences? XorXor Jan 2024 #70

I don't know exactly what the consequences might be. Haggard Celine Jan 2024 #77

This is just a small part of what the mission is doing. XorXor Jan 2024 #82

No, nothing like that. Haggard Celine Jan 2024 #84

No, there are no people to spread the ashes or inter a body muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #85

Well that's good! Haggard Celine Jan 2024 #86

"Customers paid prices starting at $12,995, according to the company's website" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #87

not much more than more conventional burials DBoon Jan 2024 #154

There is no ecosystem on the Moon. Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #130

the moon belongs to all of humanity not just Navajo Nation MistakenLamb Jan 2024 #58

Too true. So dumping Bertrand's ashes there isn't right either. JanMichael Jan 2024 #64

A &12,000 funeral is only for "rich assholes"? brooklynite Jan 2024 #88

You think this is it? dpibel Jan 2024 #101

Guess it depends on the funeral SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2024 #107

So the median price is close to $8,000 brooklynite Jan 2024 #125

It is out of reach for most SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2024 #149

People have deep feelings for their loved ones who have died muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #79

Is it okay to walk on it? Igel Jan 2024 #2

Oh hell, no. nocoincidences Jan 2024 #3

I don't think it belongs to dead bodies. demigoddess Jan 2024 #52

I think that the mission would include other activities.h edisdead Jan 2024 #57

"And that is a lot of fuel used and pollution put into our atmosphere for taking them to the moon." EX500rider Jan 2024 #72

Or... the moon doesn't, yet, belong to anyone. Model35mech Jan 2024 #71

Well, everyone who has the coin to hire a ride Attilatheblond Jan 2024 #76

I don't think so. There are actual grievances they have on land and oil rights JohnSJ Jan 2024 #4

Yes, they have a valid argument. Why should any for-profit sinkingfeeling Jan 2024 #5

Why does any government have the right to "litter" there? former9thward Jan 2024 #7

So, you think it's okay for people/private companies sinkingfeeling Jan 2024 #10

The Moon is one big rock. former9thward Jan 2024 #12

no one is sending "canisters" lapfog_1 Jan 2024 #14

I think it is ok for people/private companies Eko Jan 2024 #48

Um, yes? brooklynite Jan 2024 #89

Okay or not that is the paradigm. What global resources TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #134

I Tend To Agree With You RobinA Jan 2024 #174

Gene Roodenberry and other have had their remains launched into space..: brooklynite Jan 2024 #16

Interring human remains is littering? Eko Jan 2024 #45

That may be a valid argument but it doesn't seem TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #152

I think that it is Progressive dog Jan 2024 #8

They have a right to an opinion, but the religious argument carries zero weight with me petronius Jan 2024 #11

No NickB79 Jan 2024 #13

The moon was there a long time before mankind. Sneederbunk Jan 2024 #34

It would be nice if we could stop colonizing things. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #15

It's what organisms do. Maru Kitteh Jan 2024 #21

yeah but as humans we can make a decision not to WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #26

Colonizing space is the type of colonizing I can get behind DetroitLegalBeagle Jan 2024 #41

Im with you 100%. Eko Jan 2024 #46

There is a ready alternative plan for long term survival of humanity. PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #148

Staying on this planet is NOT a long term solution DetroitLegalBeagle Jan 2024 #153

You must be joking to be so dense. nt PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #155

Neither humor nor in anyway dense. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #157

Please explain, "Have we entered white Jesus riding in on his V8 Hemi powered dinosaur with an AR-15 blasting PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #168

Hardly. I'm dead serious DetroitLegalBeagle Jan 2024 #158

Best chance of long term human survival is to perfect our life on Earth. PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #163

That isn't the truly long range plan because it can't be TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #156

Why not colonize the moon? EX500rider Jan 2024 #73

There's really no reason to tbh. Oneironaut Jan 2024 #138

This is my concern as well BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #74

Not just colonize, we are privatizing the freaking moon. WTAF. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #81

Why is stagnation, a closed sky, and a species death sentence for no reason a good thing? TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #135

Blah blah. Blah boston bean Jan 2024 #17

... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #18

OK...Throwing our trash and unwanted rich white people remains all over earth is a better mental masturbation. LeftInTX Jan 2024 #23

We are already here... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #24

The module is already going to the moon for exploration and tests. LeftInTX Jan 2024 #28

Not my point... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #33

Well this is lunacy. tavernier Jan 2024 #19

Literally. marybourg Jan 2024 #39

Ok, we are putting you down for mental masturbation, category B. Captain Zero Jan 2024 #171

Oh, thank you! tavernier Jan 2024 #172

Just send the damn thing Mountainguy Jan 2024 #20

No, of course not DavidDvorkin Jan 2024 #22

What if... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #27

Their way of life Mountainguy Jan 2024 #54

You know... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #55

The existence of a capsule containing cremated remains, rather than the ones with recordings, or even cryptocurrency muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #59

Once again... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #65

Perhaps not in the way you hoped, however muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #66

Since... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #67

You don't appear to be addressing any "argument" (and the thread is whether the argument is "legitimate") muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #68

While I rec'd your post I have to disagree with your analogy Mossfern Jan 2024 #116

No, we don't have to take their ethical views about spirituality into consideration... brooklynite Jan 2024 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author brooklynite Jan 2024 #131

I think you misunderstood me or Mossfern Jan 2024 #136

I still disagree... brooklynite Jan 2024 #142

I always listen to "the other side" Mossfern Jan 2024 #143

I'm not seeing much reasoning. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #151

I thought this was going to be about the remains of Native people JI7 Jan 2024 #25

Well, not many others... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author JI7 Jan 2024 #31

This is a personal thing. Just like people deciding whether they want to be buried JI7 Jan 2024 #32

No it isn't. 2naSalit Jan 2024 #35

My beliefs think we should be buried on the moon. Eko Jan 2024 #47

... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #121

Yeah, that happens. Eko Jan 2024 #175

Even then, I'm not sure how the tribe's wishes would supercede TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #141

If we stop doing things because some culture/religion is offended, we'd never be able to do anything ever again. Angleae Jan 2024 #30

Polluting the earth with the spent rocket fuel for a stupid clebration for the rich is wrong. Wonder Why Jan 2024 #36

Agree with this. I can agree that they can ban this for everyone JI7 Jan 2024 #37

Except is is taking many scientific loads as well? EX500rider Jan 2024 #75

My next door neighbor is on that flight. IowaGuy Jan 2024 #38

I have moon mineral rights Arne Jan 2024 #40

No, they don't own the moon DetroitLegalBeagle Jan 2024 #42

No one owns the air or water Easterncedar Jan 2024 #43

If other countries do the same will they be able to stop it? LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #44

Sometimes when I read the post on threats here Sewa Jan 2024 #49

None. Abso-Fucking-Lutely None The Magistrate Jan 2024 #50

Exactly. TxGuitar Jan 2024 #114

They don't have a legitimate argument cabotnn22 Jan 2024 #51

We're all North Americans. Abolishinist Jan 2024 #53

What if other countries Mossfern Jan 2024 #119

Interestingly perplexing..... however.... DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #56

The Navajo view the dead a lot differently leftyladyfrommo Jan 2024 #60

The moon has existed much longer than their religion. ratchiweenie Jan 2024 #61

Pretty good way to make the point Red Mountain Jan 2024 #62

NO decisions based on religion HAB911 Jan 2024 #63

Peregrine Mission One: the lander will carry multiple payloads EX500rider Jan 2024 #69

I think we should give Navajos whatever they want. Consider it a small bit of cbabe Jan 2024 #78

I'm offended and I'm an atheist. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #80

Can you help me understand the harm? XorXor Jan 2024 #83

Privatizing the moon is offensive Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #91

Private companies making use of something does not mean it is "privatized" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #92

That is exactly what it means. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #93

No. muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #94

Really? So I can arrange for some other Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #95

Post removed Post removed Jan 2024 #96

so you agree this is just moon trash that anyone is free to remove? Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #103

No. Read my post. (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #110

Then it is private property? Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #112

What do you mean by "it"? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #120

How would you view it if someone went to the moon and tore up the flag placed by Apollo 11? XorXor Jan 2024 #122

I have no objections, the lifeless rock that is the moon is a much better place then our biosphere EX500rider Jan 2024 #128

Then Indian burial grounds are just human waste. Iggo Jan 2024 #97

they are but they are also the property of the associated tribe Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #102

At first I thought this was an Onion article. Emile Jan 2024 #90

Any argument that is based on religion for or against an action TxGuitar Jan 2024 #98

Yes they do. Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #99

Why not? Being a barren rock it would be more suitable TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #159

No, sorry. They don't own the Moon. Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #100

who does own the moon? Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #104

At this point, nobody. But anyone who's able seems to have the right to send craft up there Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #113

I've searched... markbark Jan 2024 #105

Putting your remains on the moon is another stupid, creepy thing for people who have more money than Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #106

It's apparently $12,000. There are NFL season tickets that cost more than that. Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #115

I'll put you in the "thinks this is totally reasonable" column. Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #117

Most of the things people do aren't reasonable. Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #127

If you think the inequitable nature of the distribution of wealth in our country is random, and it doesn't Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #139

You're putting random words in my mouth Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #144

Buh bye. Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #146

World War Moon Arne Jan 2024 #108

Here's one from For All Mankind. Much more serious of a show then Space Force. DetroitLegalBeagle Jan 2024 #109

No. Celerity Jan 2024 #111

No. n/t elocs Jan 2024 #118

Dear Navajo Nation: I love you, but your argument is bogus. Goodheart Jan 2024 #123

Soon enough there will be recently dead whole human bodies on the moon. hunter Jan 2024 #124

Pretty wasteful excercise imo. Nt BootinUp Jan 2024 #126

No. Freethinker65 Jan 2024 #132

Fascinating how quickly this diverged from a discussion of spiritual beliefs. brooklynite Jan 2024 #133

AKA putting words in the Navajos mouths TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #160

No Oneironaut Jan 2024 #137

Also this issue reminds me of the Hawaii observatory issue a while back, Oneironaut Jan 2024 #140

Do they have an argument? Plausibly but it hasn't been TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #145

Looks like they'll have another chance to object, Abolishinist Jan 2024 #147

But if they're lost in space forever, what's gonna happen? LeftInTX Jan 2024 #162

Eventually? The Big Chill. Abolishinist Jan 2024 #166

1.7x10⁰⁶ years is a bit of time to work on a plan. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #170

Navajo Nation should just claim those buried there will lose their souls. Or something like that. LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #150

Still wouldn't be their souls to dictate the disposition of. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #164

They closed their reservation during October's solar eclipse. Said it was a scared event. LeftInTX Jan 2024 #165

I don't know what the point of this is? viva la Jan 2024 #161

What is the point of. Burial... brooklynite Jan 2024 #169

Well, okay, but even a mahogany coffin won't cost as much as this burial. viva la Jan 2024 #173

Nope. (n/t) Iggo Jan 2024 #167

I don't think that their religion should dictate policies involving the moon. Chainfire Jan 2024 #176