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124. Soon enough there will be recently dead whole human bodies on the moon.

Mon Jan 8, 2024, 04:31 PM

Jan 2024

We're in the "Here, hold my beer..." phase of sending humans into space.

I doubt that natural-born humans will ever have a significant presence in space beyond low earth orbit.

Space will belong to engineered beings who can walk around on places like mars stark naked, or on the moon with minimal protection.

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Does the Navajo Nation have a legitimate argument against sending human remains to the Moon? [View all] Towlie Jan 2024 OP

What is the point? Haggard Celine Jan 2024 #1

Families arranged to have their cremains placed up there. Navajo say the moon is sacred, so can't have cremains there. LeftInTX Jan 2024 #6

I guess I just don't see what is to be gained by doing that. Haggard Celine Jan 2024 #9

What sort of unintended consequences? XorXor Jan 2024 #70

I don't know exactly what the consequences might be. Haggard Celine Jan 2024 #77

This is just a small part of what the mission is doing. XorXor Jan 2024 #82

No, nothing like that. Haggard Celine Jan 2024 #84

No, there are no people to spread the ashes or inter a body muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #85

Well that's good! Haggard Celine Jan 2024 #86

"Customers paid prices starting at $12,995, according to the company's website" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #87

not much more than more conventional burials DBoon Jan 2024 #154

There is no ecosystem on the Moon. Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #130

the moon belongs to all of humanity not just Navajo Nation MistakenLamb Jan 2024 #58

Too true. So dumping Bertrand's ashes there isn't right either. JanMichael Jan 2024 #64

A &12,000 funeral is only for "rich assholes"? brooklynite Jan 2024 #88

You think this is it? dpibel Jan 2024 #101

Guess it depends on the funeral SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2024 #107

So the median price is close to $8,000 brooklynite Jan 2024 #125

It is out of reach for most SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2024 #149

People have deep feelings for their loved ones who have died muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #79

Is it okay to walk on it? Igel Jan 2024 #2

Oh hell, no. nocoincidences Jan 2024 #3

I don't think it belongs to dead bodies. demigoddess Jan 2024 #52

I think that the mission would include other activities.h edisdead Jan 2024 #57

"And that is a lot of fuel used and pollution put into our atmosphere for taking them to the moon." EX500rider Jan 2024 #72

Or... the moon doesn't, yet, belong to anyone. Model35mech Jan 2024 #71

Well, everyone who has the coin to hire a ride Attilatheblond Jan 2024 #76

I don't think so. There are actual grievances they have on land and oil rights JohnSJ Jan 2024 #4

Yes, they have a valid argument. Why should any for-profit sinkingfeeling Jan 2024 #5

Why does any government have the right to "litter" there? former9thward Jan 2024 #7

So, you think it's okay for people/private companies sinkingfeeling Jan 2024 #10

The Moon is one big rock. former9thward Jan 2024 #12

no one is sending "canisters" lapfog_1 Jan 2024 #14

I think it is ok for people/private companies Eko Jan 2024 #48

Um, yes? brooklynite Jan 2024 #89

Okay or not that is the paradigm. What global resources TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #134

I Tend To Agree With You RobinA Jan 2024 #174

Gene Roodenberry and other have had their remains launched into space..: brooklynite Jan 2024 #16

Interring human remains is littering? Eko Jan 2024 #45

That may be a valid argument but it doesn't seem TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #152

I think that it is Progressive dog Jan 2024 #8

They have a right to an opinion, but the religious argument carries zero weight with me petronius Jan 2024 #11

No NickB79 Jan 2024 #13

The moon was there a long time before mankind. Sneederbunk Jan 2024 #34

It would be nice if we could stop colonizing things. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #15

It's what organisms do. Maru Kitteh Jan 2024 #21

yeah but as humans we can make a decision not to WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2024 #26

Colonizing space is the type of colonizing I can get behind DetroitLegalBeagle Jan 2024 #41

Im with you 100%. Eko Jan 2024 #46

There is a ready alternative plan for long term survival of humanity. PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #148

Staying on this planet is NOT a long term solution DetroitLegalBeagle Jan 2024 #153

You must be joking to be so dense. nt PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #155

Neither humor nor in anyway dense. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #157

Please explain, "Have we entered white Jesus riding in on his V8 Hemi powered dinosaur with an AR-15 blasting PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #168

Hardly. I'm dead serious DetroitLegalBeagle Jan 2024 #158

Best chance of long term human survival is to perfect our life on Earth. PufPuf23 Jan 2024 #163

That isn't the truly long range plan because it can't be TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #156

Why not colonize the moon? EX500rider Jan 2024 #73

There's really no reason to tbh. Oneironaut Jan 2024 #138

This is my concern as well BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #74

Not just colonize, we are privatizing the freaking moon. WTAF. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #81

Why is stagnation, a closed sky, and a species death sentence for no reason a good thing? TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #135

Blah blah. Blah boston bean Jan 2024 #17

... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #18

OK...Throwing our trash and unwanted rich white people remains all over earth is a better mental masturbation. LeftInTX Jan 2024 #23

We are already here... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #24

The module is already going to the moon for exploration and tests. LeftInTX Jan 2024 #28

Not my point... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #33

Well this is lunacy. tavernier Jan 2024 #19

Literally. marybourg Jan 2024 #39

Ok, we are putting you down for mental masturbation, category B. Captain Zero Jan 2024 #171

Oh, thank you! tavernier Jan 2024 #172

Just send the damn thing Mountainguy Jan 2024 #20

No, of course not DavidDvorkin Jan 2024 #22

What if... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #27

Their way of life Mountainguy Jan 2024 #54

You know... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #55

The existence of a capsule containing cremated remains, rather than the ones with recordings, or even cryptocurrency muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #59

Once again... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #65

Perhaps not in the way you hoped, however muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #66

Since... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #67

You don't appear to be addressing any "argument" (and the thread is whether the argument is "legitimate") muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #68

While I rec'd your post I have to disagree with your analogy Mossfern Jan 2024 #116

No, we don't have to take their ethical views about spirituality into consideration... brooklynite Jan 2024 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author brooklynite Jan 2024 #131

I think you misunderstood me or Mossfern Jan 2024 #136

I still disagree... brooklynite Jan 2024 #142

I always listen to "the other side" Mossfern Jan 2024 #143

I'm not seeing much reasoning. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #151

I thought this was going to be about the remains of Native people JI7 Jan 2024 #25

Well, not many others... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author JI7 Jan 2024 #31

This is a personal thing. Just like people deciding whether they want to be buried JI7 Jan 2024 #32

No it isn't. 2naSalit Jan 2024 #35

My beliefs think we should be buried on the moon. Eko Jan 2024 #47

... 2naSalit Jan 2024 #121

Yeah, that happens. Eko Jan 2024 #175

Even then, I'm not sure how the tribe's wishes would supercede TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #141

If we stop doing things because some culture/religion is offended, we'd never be able to do anything ever again. Angleae Jan 2024 #30

Polluting the earth with the spent rocket fuel for a stupid clebration for the rich is wrong. Wonder Why Jan 2024 #36

Agree with this. I can agree that they can ban this for everyone JI7 Jan 2024 #37

Except is is taking many scientific loads as well? EX500rider Jan 2024 #75

My next door neighbor is on that flight. IowaGuy Jan 2024 #38

I have moon mineral rights Arne Jan 2024 #40

No, they don't own the moon DetroitLegalBeagle Jan 2024 #42

No one owns the air or water Easterncedar Jan 2024 #43

If other countries do the same will they be able to stop it? LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #44

Sometimes when I read the post on threats here Sewa Jan 2024 #49

None. Abso-Fucking-Lutely None The Magistrate Jan 2024 #50

Exactly. TxGuitar Jan 2024 #114

They don't have a legitimate argument cabotnn22 Jan 2024 #51

We're all North Americans. Abolishinist Jan 2024 #53

What if other countries Mossfern Jan 2024 #119

Interestingly perplexing..... however.... DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #56

The Navajo view the dead a lot differently leftyladyfrommo Jan 2024 #60

The moon has existed much longer than their religion. ratchiweenie Jan 2024 #61

Pretty good way to make the point Red Mountain Jan 2024 #62

NO decisions based on religion HAB911 Jan 2024 #63

Peregrine Mission One: the lander will carry multiple payloads EX500rider Jan 2024 #69

I think we should give Navajos whatever they want. Consider it a small bit of cbabe Jan 2024 #78

I'm offended and I'm an atheist. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #80

Can you help me understand the harm? XorXor Jan 2024 #83

Privatizing the moon is offensive Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #91

Private companies making use of something does not mean it is "privatized" muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #92

That is exactly what it means. Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #93

No. muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #94

Really? So I can arrange for some other Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #95

Post removed Post removed Jan 2024 #96

so you agree this is just moon trash that anyone is free to remove? Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #103

No. Read my post. (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #110

Then it is private property? Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #112

What do you mean by "it"? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Jan 2024 #120

How would you view it if someone went to the moon and tore up the flag placed by Apollo 11? XorXor Jan 2024 #122

I have no objections, the lifeless rock that is the moon is a much better place then our biosphere EX500rider Jan 2024 #128

Then Indian burial grounds are just human waste. Iggo Jan 2024 #97

they are but they are also the property of the associated tribe Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #102

At first I thought this was an Onion article. Emile Jan 2024 #90

Any argument that is based on religion for or against an action TxGuitar Jan 2024 #98

Yes they do. Kid Berwyn Jan 2024 #99

Why not? Being a barren rock it would be more suitable TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #159

No, sorry. They don't own the Moon. Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #100

who does own the moon? Voltaire2 Jan 2024 #104

At this point, nobody. But anyone who's able seems to have the right to send craft up there Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #113

I've searched... markbark Jan 2024 #105

Putting your remains on the moon is another stupid, creepy thing for people who have more money than Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #106

It's apparently $12,000. There are NFL season tickets that cost more than that. Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #115

I'll put you in the "thinks this is totally reasonable" column. Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #117

Most of the things people do aren't reasonable. Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #127

If you think the inequitable nature of the distribution of wealth in our country is random, and it doesn't Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #139

You're putting random words in my mouth Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #144

Buh bye. Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #146

World War Moon Arne Jan 2024 #108

Here's one from For All Mankind. Much more serious of a show then Space Force. DetroitLegalBeagle Jan 2024 #109

No. Celerity Jan 2024 #111

No. n/t elocs Jan 2024 #118

Dear Navajo Nation: I love you, but your argument is bogus. Goodheart Jan 2024 #123

Soon enough there will be recently dead whole human bodies on the moon. hunter Jan 2024 #124

Pretty wasteful excercise imo. Nt BootinUp Jan 2024 #126

No. Freethinker65 Jan 2024 #132

Fascinating how quickly this diverged from a discussion of spiritual beliefs. brooklynite Jan 2024 #133

AKA putting words in the Navajos mouths TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #160

No Oneironaut Jan 2024 #137

Also this issue reminds me of the Hawaii observatory issue a while back, Oneironaut Jan 2024 #140

Do they have an argument? Plausibly but it hasn't been TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #145

Looks like they'll have another chance to object, Abolishinist Jan 2024 #147

But if they're lost in space forever, what's gonna happen? LeftInTX Jan 2024 #162

Eventually? The Big Chill. Abolishinist Jan 2024 #166

1.7x10⁰⁶ years is a bit of time to work on a plan. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #170

Navajo Nation should just claim those buried there will lose their souls. Or something like that. LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #150

Still wouldn't be their souls to dictate the disposition of. TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #164

They closed their reservation during October's solar eclipse. Said it was a scared event. LeftInTX Jan 2024 #165

I don't know what the point of this is? viva la Jan 2024 #161

What is the point of. Burial... brooklynite Jan 2024 #169

Well, okay, but even a mahogany coffin won't cost as much as this burial. viva la Jan 2024 #173

Nope. (n/t) Iggo Jan 2024 #167

I don't think that their religion should dictate policies involving the moon. Chainfire Jan 2024 #176