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13. The native peoples of this continent were people, no better or worse than anyone else.

Tue Jan 9, 2024, 02:58 PM

Jan 2024

The Comanche committed literal genocide against the Apache and Kiowa. The Cheyenne were known as moral and upright people even by their adversaries.

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The cultural sensitivity here sometimes amazes me [View all] orangecrush Jan 2024 OP

If I were forced, at gunpoint, to declare my religious belief, sinkingfeeling Jan 2024 #1

Yeah. The responses upset me Easterncedar Jan 2024 #2

This seems patronizing and paternalistic Sympthsical Jan 2024 #3

"noble savage"? orangecrush Jan 2024 #7

Do you know what that is? Sympthsical Jan 2024 #10

No, I didn't know orangecrush Jan 2024 #11

It's the name of a long-running movie cliche in Hollywood. Oneironaut Jan 2024 #20

I don't know that "unsophisticated" is always part of it Silent3 Jan 2024 #55

Tonto accompanied the Lone Ranger Ponietz Jan 2024 #76

I didn't say ALL depictions, did I? Silent3 Jan 2024 #84

It is a common trope... Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #47

Thanks so much! orangecrush Jan 2024 #63

100% stopdiggin Jan 2024 #16

This is exactly right. K&R TheProle Jan 2024 #24

I wouldn't call it cultural insensitivity TxGuitar Jan 2024 #4

Native Americans aren't magic. mathematic Jan 2024 #5

Thanks for simplifying it orangecrush Jan 2024 #8

Unless they are Navajo cremains, why do they get to decide this? obamanut2012 Jan 2024 #6

Yep, we've been such great stewards of the earth orangecrush Jan 2024 #9

so you are proposing that NA stopdiggin Jan 2024 #17

They don't want "control" or "jurisdiction" MorbidButterflyTat Jan 2024 #23

I'm Pagan, the Moon is imporant to me for some rites obamanut2012 Jan 2024 #31

way I see it, they are advocating that their precepts and beliefs should overrule stopdiggin Jan 2024 #35

Well, maybe not orangecrush Jan 2024 #45

The sky is already full of garbage we've put there... hunter Jan 2024 #21

Literally impossible to hurt the moons environmental balance EX500rider Jan 2024 #27

What does that have to do with what I said? obamanut2012 Jan 2024 #29

That's a separate issue. Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #48

Don't jest, that might happen Polly Hennessey Jan 2024 #12

The native peoples of this continent were people, no better or worse than anyone else. Ex Lurker Jan 2024 #13

Yeah right....get outta here with that nonsense... Fix The Stupid Jan 2024 #14

Obviously champions the argument MorbidButterflyTat Jan 2024 #25

"of for-profit space defilement" EX500rider Jan 2024 #33

A song orangecrush Jan 2024 #40

Lol BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #15

The Navajo aren't asking for burial rights on the moon. limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #18

Because it offends their religious sensibilities... Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #49

It's not religious. It's moral or perhaps ethical stewardship. limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #56

No. You missed the argument entirely. stopdiggin Jan 2024 #65

It's still woo-woo nonsense. Why care what superstitious people consider "Sacred?' Oneironaut Jan 2024 #19

And yet...for many cultures, sacred places are EXACTLY where people have been buried Maeve Jan 2024 #22

Come on, people. WTH ever came up with this ridiculous burial idea in the first place? brush Jan 2024 #26

It's a research mission. The remains just happen to be on it. LeftInTX Jan 2024 #34

I certainly wouldn't do it. Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #50

Apparently the Roddenberries are on this. Shooting people's ashes into space Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #71

I've seen this ever since I have been here Doc Sportello Jan 2024 #28

The only entitlement in this scenario is that of the Navajos. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #32

Yeah orangecrush Jan 2024 #38

Projection Doc Sportello Jan 2024 #74

What planet or moon will they claim dominion over next? BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #79

This orangecrush Jan 2024 #36

That seems right on target. limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #37

I don't take any sacred beliefs seriously. Elessar Zappa Jan 2024 #30

Some of us hold to the view that religion only binds the believer. NutmegYankee Jan 2024 #39

So that gives us the FREEDOM orangecrush Jan 2024 #41

We have colonies on the moon? NutmegYankee Jan 2024 #43

I stand orangecrush Jan 2024 #44

Which is a way of saying you know you can't argue against my point. NutmegYankee Jan 2024 #46

Agree to disagree orangecrush Jan 2024 #64

which is NOT an argument for the validation of specious claims and entitlement stopdiggin Jan 2024 #67

Declare victory then orangecrush Jan 2024 #69

sorry (yes, really) - - looks like you got mauled pretty badly on this one (OP) stopdiggin Jan 2024 #82

And you as well orangecrush Jan 2024 #85

I don't think anyone here thinks what we did in those places, to those people Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #73

You Win orangecrush Jan 2024 #75

Nobody should he forced to have their remains buried on the moon JI7 Jan 2024 #42

Don't judge by the moon thing. SarahD Jan 2024 #51

So how, pray tell, do they understand it? TxGuitar Jan 2024 #52

Answered already. SarahD Jan 2024 #57

What does that mean? Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #53

Control? SarahD Jan 2024 #58

No. THEY need to honor that. And I should be free to stopdiggin Jan 2024 #68

Bingo orangecrush Jan 2024 #77

A nod to the moon's ubiquitous gravitational/physiological effects Ponietz Jan 2024 #80

So do you think that way about some Christians and abortion? ripcord Jan 2024 #88

My "cultural sensitivity" always ends when it means one group imposing rules... Silent3 Jan 2024 #54

What is at stake? SarahD Jan 2024 #59

That approach turn such conflicts into a contest of who can be the most offended n/t Silent3 Jan 2024 #70

It is my personal opinion that much territory in the United Sates DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #60

(Not that anyone necessarily wants Oklahoma, including the Oklahomans...) DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #61

One problem SarahD Jan 2024 #66

The Louisiana Territory limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #62

Do you live in the United States? tritsofme Jan 2024 #72

Just amazing. orangecrush Jan 2024 #78

I know, isn't the idea ridiculous? But if the poster is willing to uproot millions of people, why shouldn't he go first? tritsofme Jan 2024 #92

Gee this sounds exactly like arguments against reparations for slavery orangecrush Jan 2024 #94

I don't see the connection. The person I responded proposed uprooting millions of people. tritsofme Jan 2024 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush Jan 2024 #96

My post noted 'fair compensation' from the government, DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #97

So we give New York City back to the Lenape people? ripcord Jan 2024 #89

As you have seen, sagetea Jan 2024 #81

Post removed Post removed Jan 2024 #86

uhmmm... sagetea Jan 2024 #87

I just shake my head orangecrush Jan 2024 #93

I think we should vote on sending human ashes to the moon, since we all should have a say. I vote no. Blues Heron Jan 2024 #83

No disrespect at all to Native American culture. But this all is a bit overboard. Tommy Carcetti Jan 2024 #90

Or bomb it orangecrush Jan 2024 #91