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stopdiggin

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65. No. You missed the argument entirely.

Wed Jan 10, 2024, 02:36 AM

Jan 2024

The Navajo are arguing that no one should be able to inter (or scatter?) remains on the moon because of its spiritual significance in their religion. (that is their actual statement - go ahead and read it)

No mention there of stewardship at all. And in fact that argument would be even a little more far fetched - given the further issue(s) of legal jurisdiction, ownership, control, etc. etc.

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The cultural sensitivity here sometimes amazes me [View all] orangecrush Jan 2024 OP

If I were forced, at gunpoint, to declare my religious belief, sinkingfeeling Jan 2024 #1

Yeah. The responses upset me Easterncedar Jan 2024 #2

This seems patronizing and paternalistic Sympthsical Jan 2024 #3

"noble savage"? orangecrush Jan 2024 #7

Do you know what that is? Sympthsical Jan 2024 #10

No, I didn't know orangecrush Jan 2024 #11

It's the name of a long-running movie cliche in Hollywood. Oneironaut Jan 2024 #20

I don't know that "unsophisticated" is always part of it Silent3 Jan 2024 #55

Tonto accompanied the Lone Ranger Ponietz Jan 2024 #76

I didn't say ALL depictions, did I? Silent3 Jan 2024 #84

It is a common trope... Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #47

Thanks so much! orangecrush Jan 2024 #63

100% stopdiggin Jan 2024 #16

This is exactly right. K&R TheProle Jan 2024 #24

I wouldn't call it cultural insensitivity TxGuitar Jan 2024 #4

Native Americans aren't magic. mathematic Jan 2024 #5

Thanks for simplifying it orangecrush Jan 2024 #8

Unless they are Navajo cremains, why do they get to decide this? obamanut2012 Jan 2024 #6

Yep, we've been such great stewards of the earth orangecrush Jan 2024 #9

so you are proposing that NA stopdiggin Jan 2024 #17

They don't want "control" or "jurisdiction" MorbidButterflyTat Jan 2024 #23

I'm Pagan, the Moon is imporant to me for some rites obamanut2012 Jan 2024 #31

way I see it, they are advocating that their precepts and beliefs should overrule stopdiggin Jan 2024 #35

Well, maybe not orangecrush Jan 2024 #45

The sky is already full of garbage we've put there... hunter Jan 2024 #21

Literally impossible to hurt the moons environmental balance EX500rider Jan 2024 #27

What does that have to do with what I said? obamanut2012 Jan 2024 #29

That's a separate issue. Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #48

Don't jest, that might happen Polly Hennessey Jan 2024 #12

The native peoples of this continent were people, no better or worse than anyone else. Ex Lurker Jan 2024 #13

Yeah right....get outta here with that nonsense... Fix The Stupid Jan 2024 #14

Obviously champions the argument MorbidButterflyTat Jan 2024 #25

"of for-profit space defilement" EX500rider Jan 2024 #33

A song orangecrush Jan 2024 #40

Lol BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #15

The Navajo aren't asking for burial rights on the moon. limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #18

Because it offends their religious sensibilities... Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #49

It's not religious. It's moral or perhaps ethical stewardship. limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #56

No. You missed the argument entirely. stopdiggin Jan 2024 #65

It's still woo-woo nonsense. Why care what superstitious people consider "Sacred?' Oneironaut Jan 2024 #19

And yet...for many cultures, sacred places are EXACTLY where people have been buried Maeve Jan 2024 #22

Come on, people. WTH ever came up with this ridiculous burial idea in the first place? brush Jan 2024 #26

It's a research mission. The remains just happen to be on it. LeftInTX Jan 2024 #34

I certainly wouldn't do it. Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #50

Apparently the Roddenberries are on this. Shooting people's ashes into space Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #71

I've seen this ever since I have been here Doc Sportello Jan 2024 #28

The only entitlement in this scenario is that of the Navajos. BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #32

Yeah orangecrush Jan 2024 #38

Projection Doc Sportello Jan 2024 #74

What planet or moon will they claim dominion over next? BannonsLiver Jan 2024 #79

This orangecrush Jan 2024 #36

That seems right on target. limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #37

I don't take any sacred beliefs seriously. Elessar Zappa Jan 2024 #30

Some of us hold to the view that religion only binds the believer. NutmegYankee Jan 2024 #39

So that gives us the FREEDOM orangecrush Jan 2024 #41

We have colonies on the moon? NutmegYankee Jan 2024 #43

I stand orangecrush Jan 2024 #44

Which is a way of saying you know you can't argue against my point. NutmegYankee Jan 2024 #46

Agree to disagree orangecrush Jan 2024 #64

which is NOT an argument for the validation of specious claims and entitlement stopdiggin Jan 2024 #67

Declare victory then orangecrush Jan 2024 #69

sorry (yes, really) - - looks like you got mauled pretty badly on this one (OP) stopdiggin Jan 2024 #82

And you as well orangecrush Jan 2024 #85

I don't think anyone here thinks what we did in those places, to those people Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #73

You Win orangecrush Jan 2024 #75

Nobody should he forced to have their remains buried on the moon JI7 Jan 2024 #42

Don't judge by the moon thing. SarahD Jan 2024 #51

So how, pray tell, do they understand it? TxGuitar Jan 2024 #52

Answered already. SarahD Jan 2024 #57

What does that mean? Happy Hoosier Jan 2024 #53

Control? SarahD Jan 2024 #58

No. THEY need to honor that. And I should be free to stopdiggin Jan 2024 #68

Bingo orangecrush Jan 2024 #77

A nod to the moon's ubiquitous gravitational/physiological effects Ponietz Jan 2024 #80

So do you think that way about some Christians and abortion? ripcord Jan 2024 #88

My "cultural sensitivity" always ends when it means one group imposing rules... Silent3 Jan 2024 #54

What is at stake? SarahD Jan 2024 #59

That approach turn such conflicts into a contest of who can be the most offended n/t Silent3 Jan 2024 #70

It is my personal opinion that much territory in the United Sates DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #60

(Not that anyone necessarily wants Oklahoma, including the Oklahomans...) DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #61

One problem SarahD Jan 2024 #66

The Louisiana Territory limbicnuminousity Jan 2024 #62

Do you live in the United States? tritsofme Jan 2024 #72

Just amazing. orangecrush Jan 2024 #78

I know, isn't the idea ridiculous? But if the poster is willing to uproot millions of people, why shouldn't he go first? tritsofme Jan 2024 #92

Gee this sounds exactly like arguments against reparations for slavery orangecrush Jan 2024 #94

I don't see the connection. The person I responded proposed uprooting millions of people. tritsofme Jan 2024 #95

This message was self-deleted by its author orangecrush Jan 2024 #96

My post noted 'fair compensation' from the government, DemocraticPatriot Jan 2024 #97

So we give New York City back to the Lenape people? ripcord Jan 2024 #89

As you have seen, sagetea Jan 2024 #81

Post removed Post removed Jan 2024 #86

uhmmm... sagetea Jan 2024 #87

I just shake my head orangecrush Jan 2024 #93

I think we should vote on sending human ashes to the moon, since we all should have a say. I vote no. Blues Heron Jan 2024 #83

No disrespect at all to Native American culture. But this all is a bit overboard. Tommy Carcetti Jan 2024 #90

Or bomb it orangecrush Jan 2024 #91