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31. They HAVE been using dumb bombs in 40-45% of strikes

Fri Jan 19, 2024, 02:32 PM

Jan 2024

According to U.S. assessments.

One of the reasons for the high civilian casualties.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/13/politics/intelligence-assessment-dumb-bombs-israel-gaza/index.html

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Bernie Sanders: "Frankly I have a hard time understanding why Congress won't act to put a stop to this suffering" [View all] red dog 1 Jan 2024 OP

Thank you red dog 1! Niagara Jan 2024 #1

Thank you. red dog 1 Jan 2024 #10

How does Congress do that? EX500rider Jan 2024 #2

That would then be solely on Netanyahu and Israel, Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #3

They have already made their choice EX500rider Jan 2024 #4

Israel still has a choice and having "smart weapons" didn't make any difference before Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #7

"having "smart weapons" didn't make any difference before" EX500rider Jan 2024 #8

Not if you don't care whether you kill civilians or not. Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #9

Well which other military bothers to do this, sounds like they care a lot EX500rider Jan 2024 #12

Telling a city/region in some ways more densely populated than London and certainly young with 40+% of them being Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #14

They knew there was going to be ground combat in the North so they told them to go South EX500rider Jan 2024 #15

Then they bombed them in the "safe zones" of course they cut off the water, electricity and such Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #16

Maybe attacking your neighbor who supplies your water & electricity is a bad idea? EX500rider Jan 2024 #17

No doubt, what do you believe put such an idea in the estimated 30,000 Hamas fighters heads, Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #18

Jihad knows no reason, it is God or Allah's will EX500rider Jan 2024 #19

Do you believe this war is teaching them reason? n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #20

I don't think jihadists can be taught reason EX500rider Jan 2024 #21

What about the other 2.2+ million Gazans that aren't jihadists, do Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #22

First I don't see absolute destruction EX500rider Jan 2024 #23

So, where do you get primarily get your information as to the what the condition of Gaza is? n/t Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #26

Well video evidence for one EX500rider Jan 2024 #36

That's cool, but those videos are almost always close up. Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #39

Yes but was is the break between destroyed & damaged? Damage can mean a broken window EX500rider Jan 2024 #41

I agree, but with the Gaza Strip being about on average as densely populated as London Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #42

No doubt there, all recent urban combat has been very destructive EX500rider Jan 2024 #43

Without a doubt Fallujah was bad, but no conflict in the 21st century approaches the death rate of Gaza Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #44

Of course Yemen's numbers dwarf those EX500rider Jan 2024 #47

25,000 and we have trusted UN figures before, even they acknowledge the death toll is likely much higher Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #48

IDF says they have killed 9,000 Hamas members so far EX500rider Jan 2024 #49

As of January 18th over 24,448 Palestinian and 1,410 Israeli have been killed per UNRWA Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #50

according to the Gaza Health Ministry, which does not distinguish between combatant and civilian casualties EX500rider Jan 2024 #56

Gaza keeps records of their dead womanofthehills Jan 2024 #59

Well if the terrorists have lists EX500rider Jan 2024 #63

Gaza death toll: why counting the dead has become a daily struggle womanofthehills Jan 2024 #67

Thr figures by Gazan Health Ministry have always been accepted before October 7th and those numbers are perfectly Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #62

Not only accepted but verified to be accurate AloeVera Jan 2024 #68

Didn't happen in Vietnam Arazi Jan 2024 #24

Where did you get that impression Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #25

From your own words in post #22 Arazi Jan 2024 #33

I believe their approach of mass punishment against an occupied people is creating Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #34

heck Allied bombing killed over 20,000 French ally civilians and they didn't seem bent on revenge EX500rider Jan 2024 #37

Yup. We have military history documenting hundreds of wars Arazi Jan 2024 #51

Israel has controlled every thing that goes into Gaza for yrs womanofthehills Jan 2024 #58

Then, Israel told the Palestinians to go South womanofthehills Jan 2024 #55

Got it. So it's not about actually stopping the suffering like Sanders said. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #28

You don't got it. Uncle Joe Jan 2024 #29

Don't I? I think you confused yourself. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #30

Yeah I was a little shocked about that EX500rider Jan 2024 #38

I'd also wager the US has *some* influence as they remain working with Israel than if they were to walk away. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #54

🎯 Arazi Jan 2024 #57

They HAVE been using dumb bombs in 40-45% of strikes AloeVera Jan 2024 #31

Yes and if the US cuts off supply that will climb to 100% and civilians casualties will be 3x+ EX500rider Jan 2024 #35

I doubt Israel would continue bombing Gaza so no need to worry AloeVera Jan 2024 #52

Israel isn't relying on our weapons Arazi Jan 2024 #53

Isn't it time for the U S. to speak up as the defender of human rights? AloeVera Jan 2024 #70

It's a war. This is exactly what it looks like Arazi Jan 2024 #72

250 civilians killed on average a day, far surpassing AloeVera Jan 2024 #73

250 a day (assuming you trust Hamas to issue good #'s) includes Hamas dead btw EX500rider Jan 2024 #74

Did the IDF explain to you how they arrived at the 40% estimate? AloeVera Jan 2024 #80

Just because Hamas said they did it that way does not make it true EX500rider Jan 2024 #81

They actually published the names, age, sex and ID numbers. AloeVera Jan 2024 #86

That just makes it even more unlikely IMO EX500rider Jan 2024 #87

Sarcasm aside...it is true the report was published late October AloeVera Jan 2024 #89

I was addressing your specific references to mass famine Arazi Jan 2024 #75

I thought I had addressed the disparity in civilian casualties with other wars? AloeVera Jan 2024 #79

Yemen and Sudan Arazi Jan 2024 #83

Even if every crumb of food went to civilians, they would still starve. AloeVera Jan 2024 #85

Hamas has stockpiles in their tunnels Arazi Jan 2024 #88

Partial response. AloeVera Jan 2024 #90

This is getting tedious Arazi Jan 2024 #91

Have a good night! AloeVera Jan 2024 #92

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Probably because they know the decades of history ripcord Jan 2024 #6

Correction Mossfern Jan 2024 #11

"Monsters"? AloeVera Jan 2024 #32

Rapists and terrorists are monsters. EllieBC Jan 2024 #40

Palestinians and Arabs were terrorists and rapists in 1948? AloeVera Jan 2024 #45

There are videos online of older Jews womanofthehills Jan 2024 #60

The UN came up with a two-state solution in 1948. former9thward Jan 2024 #61

The Partition of Palestine was an injustice, not a "solution" for Palestinians AloeVera Jan 2024 #64

And has every attack made things better or worse for them? EX500rider Jan 2024 #65

Yes they should. AloeVera Jan 2024 #66

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K&R redqueen Jan 2024 #46

Did Bernie forget what country this is? Johnny2X2X Jan 2024 #69

But we *are* the sugar daddy. Crunchy Frog Jan 2024 #71

We're not actually. That's a propaganda ploy Arazi Jan 2024 #78

You tellem Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2024 #76

Cutting the supply of US weapons is something in the control of the US David__77 Jan 2024 #77

Thankfully, Joe Biden is President Mountainguy Jan 2024 #82

Yup. And I find it ironic that in the general election in 2016, major individuals JohnSJ Jan 2024 #84