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In reply to the discussion: Bernie Sanders: "Frankly I have a hard time understanding why Congress won't act to put a stop to this suffering" [View all]Uncle Joe
(65,577 posts)50. As of January 18th over 24,448 Palestinian and 1,410 Israeli have been killed per UNRWA
As of 18 January, over 25,000 people (24,448 Palestinian and 1,410 Israeli[8]) have been killed in the IsraelHamas war, including 83 journalists (76 Palestinian, 4 Israeli and 3 Lebanese) and over 136 UNRWA aid workers.[9][10]
On 7 October 2023, 1,139 Israelis and foreign nationals, including 764 civilians, were killed, and 248 persons taken hostage during the initial attack on Israel from the Gaza Strip.[11][12][13] Since then, over 24,000 Palestinians (the majority of whom were women and children) in the Gaza Strip have been killed according to the Gaza Health Ministry, which does not distinguish between combatant and civilian casualties in its reports.[14][15] A further 320 Palestinians were killed in the West Bank by Israel military and settlers.[16] Casualties have also occurred in other parts of Israel, as well as in southern Lebanon, and Syria.[17]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_2023_Israel%E2%80%93Hamas_war#:~:text=As%20of%20December%2030%2C%202023,mean%20about%202%2C353%20militant%20deaths.
I don't understand why you find 25000 dead to be unrealistic?
Dropping hundreds of 2000 bombs in a three month span on an area as densely populated as the Gaza Strip of 2.3 million people with about 40+% of them being children.
I would expect the figures to much higher.
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Bernie Sanders: "Frankly I have a hard time understanding why Congress won't act to put a stop to this suffering" [View all]
red dog 1
Jan 2024
OP
Israel still has a choice and having "smart weapons" didn't make any difference before
Uncle Joe
Jan 2024
#7
Telling a city/region in some ways more densely populated than London and certainly young with 40+% of them being
Uncle Joe
Jan 2024
#14
They knew there was going to be ground combat in the North so they told them to go South
EX500rider
Jan 2024
#15
Then they bombed them in the "safe zones" of course they cut off the water, electricity and such
Uncle Joe
Jan 2024
#16
Maybe attacking your neighbor who supplies your water & electricity is a bad idea?
EX500rider
Jan 2024
#17
No doubt, what do you believe put such an idea in the estimated 30,000 Hamas fighters heads,
Uncle Joe
Jan 2024
#18
So, where do you get primarily get your information as to the what the condition of Gaza is? n/t
Uncle Joe
Jan 2024
#26
Yes but was is the break between destroyed & damaged? Damage can mean a broken window
EX500rider
Jan 2024
#41
I agree, but with the Gaza Strip being about on average as densely populated as London
Uncle Joe
Jan 2024
#42
Without a doubt Fallujah was bad, but no conflict in the 21st century approaches the death rate of Gaza
Uncle Joe
Jan 2024
#44
25,000 and we have trusted UN figures before, even they acknowledge the death toll is likely much higher
Uncle Joe
Jan 2024
#48
As of January 18th over 24,448 Palestinian and 1,410 Israeli have been killed per UNRWA
Uncle Joe
Jan 2024
#50
according to the Gaza Health Ministry, which does not distinguish between combatant and civilian casualties
EX500rider
Jan 2024
#56
Thr figures by Gazan Health Ministry have always been accepted before October 7th and those numbers are perfectly
Uncle Joe
Jan 2024
#62
I believe their approach of mass punishment against an occupied people is creating
Uncle Joe
Jan 2024
#34
heck Allied bombing killed over 20,000 French ally civilians and they didn't seem bent on revenge
EX500rider
Jan 2024
#37
Got it. So it's not about actually stopping the suffering like Sanders said.
MyNameIsJonas
Jan 2024
#28
I'd also wager the US has *some* influence as they remain working with Israel than if they were to walk away.
MyNameIsJonas
Jan 2024
#54
Yes and if the US cuts off supply that will climb to 100% and civilians casualties will be 3x+
EX500rider
Jan 2024
#35
250 a day (assuming you trust Hamas to issue good #'s) includes Hamas dead btw
EX500rider
Jan 2024
#74
I thought I had addressed the disparity in civilian casualties with other wars?
AloeVera
Jan 2024
#79
The Partition of Palestine was an injustice, not a "solution" for Palestinians
AloeVera
Jan 2024
#64