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In reply to the discussion: Scoop: Israel proposes 2-month fighting pause in Gaza for release of all hostages [View all]madaboutharry
(42,036 posts)61. There are not 25,000 civilians dead.
Those are numbers from Hamas and all the entities Hamas controls in Gaza.
The IDF has killed approximately 10,000 Hamas terrorists. Hamas counts its own members as civilians. Last time I was in elementary school 25 - 10 = 15. It is terrible innocent people have died, but the disinformation is also terrible.
Is it a tragedy that even one civilian has died? Yes. No one disputes that. This is what happens in a war fought in an urban battlefield, a battlefield intentionally chosen by Hamas.
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Scoop: Israel proposes 2-month fighting pause in Gaza for release of all hostages [View all]
tritsofme
Jan 2024
OP
They seem to be looking for a "ceasefire" where Hamas kills Jews with impunity, but Israel is prohibited from responding
tritsofme
Jan 2024
#11
it is at best unjustified asymmetrical warfare where the vast majority of deaths are civilians.
ColinC
Jan 2024
#21
Right, it seems like some folks are frustrated that Hamas isn't better at killing Jews
tritsofme
Jan 2024
#22
If Hamas kills all of the hostages, how many more dead civilians will it take to adequately "respond"
ColinC
Jan 2024
#44
"It's a fucking war that [insert failed historical asymmetrical war enemy here] started and we are going to finish!"
ColinC
Jan 2024
#63
My solution is to attack Hamas, not civilians. Killing civilians is not doing anything but empowering Hamas
ColinC
Jan 2024
#74
Establish good faith with the Palestinians and start honoring the treaties it broke would be a good start
ColinC
Jan 2024
#76
They are Israel's refugees, absolutely. Just as is everyone in West Banka and East Jerusalem.
David__77
Jan 2024
#29
I am glad that Biden's administration has made strong statements against depopulation plans.
David__77
Jan 2024
#33
If there was assurance that people would have right of return, perhaps the consideration would be different.
David__77
Jan 2024
#52
The problem is the belief that the presence of non-combatants of West Bank and Gaza is a threat.
David__77
Jan 2024
#80
Because once the hostages are released and accounted for, IDF will withdraw, right?
marble falls
Jan 2024
#56