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In reply to the discussion: No one wants to talk about why Boeing planes fail [View all]pnwmom
(110,273 posts)74. If that report is correct, "It was removed for repair."
It arrived from Spirit in need of repair.
The only way for the plug to have blown out is if it moved up, so that the stop fittings were no longer aligned with the stop pads which is how the plug is opened for maintenance.
. . . . As the whistleblower describes, many routine fixes are done by a team of mechanics from Spirit who are permanently on site in Renton to do warranty repairs on parts built by Spirit in Wichita.
Pierson confirmed that Spirit employees were stationed in Renton doing this kind of rework as far back as 2018.
We had Spirit employees in our factory when the fuselage came in that were doing what people call warranty work, but we would just call it defects or non-conformances, Pierson said.
. . . . As the whistleblower describes, many routine fixes are done by a team of mechanics from Spirit who are permanently on site in Renton to do warranty repairs on parts built by Spirit in Wichita.
Pierson confirmed that Spirit employees were stationed in Renton doing this kind of rework as far back as 2018.
We had Spirit employees in our factory when the fuselage came in that were doing what people call warranty work, but we would just call it defects or non-conformances, Pierson said.
Also, according to the whistleblower, a Boeing employee/employees failed to record the repair properly.
Now the two sets of employees working in Renton, the Spirit employees and the Boeing employees, are pointing fingers at each other. "However, the whistleblower states that Spirit produces a hideously high and very alarming number of defects.
"The whistleblower says Boeings records for just the past year document a total of 392 nonconforming findings at the location where the door plug is installed, including both MAXs with actual emergency doors there and those like the Alaska jet with permanent plugs."
The fact remains that it is the whole SYSTEM, set up by former MD bean-counters, of dividing the responsibilities between Boeing employees and outside contractors, that contributed to the problem.
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It's always the same, cost cutting that cheapens the product to pay the MBAs and Accountants
bucolic_frolic
Jan 2024
#1
I saw one when I flew to Boston Logan Airport. Could not believe my eyes how big that thing is!
OMGWTF
Jan 2024
#81
The 747 was always something I wanted to fly in. The A380 would be a decent substitute
ArkansasDemocrat1
Jan 2024
#87
Downfall? Does it end with Hitler wondering why his planes keep falling out of the sky? /nt
localroger
Jan 2024
#10
(pointing at map) "Don't worry, the 737Max will save us" "Mein Fueher, the 737..."
ArkansasDemocrat1
Jan 2024
#88
there's nothing wrong with outsourcing. it drives competiton and improves the economy
Takket
Jan 2024
#12
There is no way the QA/Compliance group is not all over suppliers keeping up to ISO standards.
FHRRK
Jan 2024
#20
The fuselage with the defective plug was already assembled before it arrived in Washington.
pnwmom
Jan 2024
#51
"Boeing, not Spirit, mis-installed piece that blew off Alaska MAX 9 jet, industry source says" -- Seattle Times
brooklynite
Jan 2024
#68
Boeing's biggest problem is that McDonnell Douglas bought them with Boeing's money. nt
Gore1FL
Jan 2024
#15
Yes Boeing spun off Spirit AeroSystems into a subsidiary and then an independent company
IronLionZion
Jan 2024
#83
I've been reading lots of recent articles about this, including at least three in the NYT. nt
pnwmom
Jan 2024
#18
The same quality problems would likely exist with whoever was outsourced to engineer and build the infrastructure.
PTL_Mancuso
Jan 2024
#59
In the late 90s I went though their factory and told them "this is a national pride"
lostnfound
Jan 2024
#42
There is definitely something to what you are saying, though the ultimate cause...
keep_left
Jan 2024
#44
To be fair to Boeing, the 737 rudder issues were caused by a serious flaw in a part...
keep_left
Jan 2024
#53
Well, like I said, it was their plane and they signed off on it. I do know...
keep_left
Jan 2024
#61
New article in Seattle Times: Whistleblower says Boeing installed the plug door wrong,
Ocelot II
Jan 2024
#76
As long as they found "efficiencies" and "synergies" and "ROI" with this "paradigm shift"
IronLionZion
Jan 2024
#82