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In reply to the discussion: Prediction: Dean Phillips wins the NH Democratic Primary... [View all]Celerity
(54,791 posts)123. Abraham Lincoln? Mark Twain? Biblical Proverb? Maurice Switzer? Arthur Burns? John Maynard Keynes? Confucius? Anonymous?
https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/17/remain-silent/
Dear Quote Investigator: Here are two versions of an entertaining saying that is usually credited to Abraham Lincoln or Mark Twain:
The phrasing is different, but I think these two statements express the same thought. When I mentioned this adage to a friend he claimed that it was in the Bible, but it does not sound very Biblical to me. Can you resolve this dispute?
Quote Investigator: There is a biblical proverb that expresses a similar idea, namely Proverbs 17:28. Here is the New International Version followed by the King James Version of this verse:
The quotations that the questioner listed use a distinctive formulation that is certainly more humorous. In the biblical version one is thought wise if one remains silent, but in the questioners statements the word wise is not used. Remaining silent simply allows one to avoid the fate of being thought a fool or stupid. This maxim has many different forms, and it is often ascribed to Abraham Lincoln or Mark Twain. However, there is no substantive evidence that either of these famous individuals employed the maxim. The wonderful Yale Book of Quotations (YBQ) investigated the saying and presented the earliest known attribution to Lincoln in Golden Book magazine in November 1931:
Since Lincoln died in 1865 this is a suspiciously late instance, and it provides very weak evidence. Further, YBQ indicated that the phrase was in use years before this date with no attachment to Lincoln. The ascription of the saying to Mark Twain is also dubious.
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Dear Quote Investigator: Here are two versions of an entertaining saying that is usually credited to Abraham Lincoln or Mark Twain:
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
Its better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.
Its better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than open it and remove all doubt.
The phrasing is different, but I think these two statements express the same thought. When I mentioned this adage to a friend he claimed that it was in the Bible, but it does not sound very Biblical to me. Can you resolve this dispute?
Quote Investigator: There is a biblical proverb that expresses a similar idea, namely Proverbs 17:28. Here is the New International Version followed by the King James Version of this verse:
Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue.
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding.
The quotations that the questioner listed use a distinctive formulation that is certainly more humorous. In the biblical version one is thought wise if one remains silent, but in the questioners statements the word wise is not used. Remaining silent simply allows one to avoid the fate of being thought a fool or stupid. This maxim has many different forms, and it is often ascribed to Abraham Lincoln or Mark Twain. However, there is no substantive evidence that either of these famous individuals employed the maxim. The wonderful Yale Book of Quotations (YBQ) investigated the saying and presented the earliest known attribution to Lincoln in Golden Book magazine in November 1931:
Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and to remove all doubt.
ABRAHAM LINCOLN.
ABRAHAM LINCOLN.
Since Lincoln died in 1865 this is a suspiciously late instance, and it provides very weak evidence. Further, YBQ indicated that the phrase was in use years before this date with no attachment to Lincoln. The ascription of the saying to Mark Twain is also dubious.
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I went back into AFIB two weeks ago...had cardiaversion twice since then...so I need an ablation
Demsrule86
Jan 2024
#135
Even if Biden wins as a write-in, keeping him off the ballot was incredibly stupid.
tritsofme
Jan 2024
#5
They refused the alternative date that was offered to them because they didn't want to take a backseat to South Carolina
W_HAMILTON
Jan 2024
#46
So your view is "screw the Democratic voters if the Republican Government refuses to change the date"?
brooklynite
Jan 2024
#47
No, my view -- which is also fact -- is that they can run a separate nominating process on their own...
W_HAMILTON
Jan 2024
#48
My point is that the DNC and the State Party HAVEN'T announced what that alternative process is.
brooklynite
Jan 2024
#50
Once again, why would they? The state party refused to change their date -- period.
W_HAMILTON
Jan 2024
#56
So you're saying NH Democrats won';t have an opportunity to pick delegates?
brooklynite
Jan 2024
#60
NH Democrats aren't constrained; they just need to develop a Caucus process.
brooklynite
Jan 2024
#70
You're blaming the Democratic Party for the actions of the Republican State Government.
brooklynite
Jan 2024
#73
If President Biden specifically didn't want to participate in NH primary, why go against his wishes by writing him in?
MichMan
Jan 2024
#12
President Biden will be competitive in NH in November. President Biden will not be competitive in SC.
brooklynite
Jan 2024
#85
The DNC made a good decision in moving New Hampshire and Iowa from being the first
LetMyPeopleVote
Jan 2024
#117
Dean Philips is now complaining that President Biden is NOT taking his calls
LetMyPeopleVote
Jan 2024
#119
I think you'd have to be on the ground to get a real sense, but what I've seen and read does not
hlthe2b
Jan 2024
#13
Do you know how hard it is to organize a write in campaign...that is a serious grass roots
Demsrule86
Jan 2024
#95
Abraham Lincoln? Mark Twain? Biblical Proverb? Maurice Switzer? Arthur Burns? John Maynard Keynes? Confucius? Anonymous?
Celerity
Jan 2024
#123
My hubs say those in Brooklyn...need to discuss things with those from the Bronx before making...
Demsrule86
Jan 2024
#101
Although it's hard to lose something you don't have, he gave it the old college try.
SaintLouisBlues
Jan 2024
#146
Phillips got creamed. It was amazing. I've never seen a write-in candidate do it, but Joe did.
Vinca
Jan 2024
#116
Dince ackowledging mistaken predictions the key point, you'll be doing the same?
brooklynite
Jan 2024
#136