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MyNameIsJonas

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66. This is incorrect.
Thu Jan 25, 2024, 12:52 PM
Jan 2024

Four years ago today, Biden led Trump by four points in the average of polls.

In fact, there was no point in the h2h average between Biden and Trump where Trump led Biden:

https://www.realclearpolling.com/polls/president/general/2020/trump-vs-biden

What I know is that for months, we've been told to ignore polls this far out and every other sign Biden might be in trouble.

Well sure, polls should be taken with skepticism this far out. But it's just crazy to not see at least some major warning signs for Biden.

I hear how Trump is more unpopular than ever and yet his polling vs Biden only continues to improve.

Take Ipsos, which is a fairly respected polling firm. In their December poll, Trump led Biden 38-36.

In their poll out today, Trump leads Biden 40-34.

Now, since there's a huge undecided total from this poll, it's not something I would freak out over.

But it does show that Biden isn't growing his support. He's down two points. Trump is up two points.

Dismissing these numbers is not smart. Biden is struggling and so many of you are just telling us to ignore what's right in front of us.

Every month, it's the same since September: ignore polls this far out.

And here we are at the end of January, four months later, and Biden's position has actually weakened.

Still being told this far out doesn't matter.

Well I'm terrified we're going to wake up on election day with Biden down 5 to Trump, and down in major swing states.

I do not feel confident at all in Biden's chances. That doesn't mean I think he's going to lose but I've yet to see any substantial reason to believe he's going to win.

At this point in 2020, I absolutely thought Biden or any Democrat for that matter could beat Trump.

And on this day in 2012, I thought Obama would win too.

Of course, the polls had both winning. But back then, DU wasn't against polls. It was only conservatives who attacked polls.

But I feel like Biden is hurtling toward the same spot Trump found himself in four years ago and so many here are ignoring the warning signs.

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I am too. Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #1
There is a double-edged sword hanging... forgotmylogin Jan 2024 #23
I basically agree with all of that. I think the likelihood is that the defendant will be the candidate, but Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #44
I think you're both right, but... Trueblue Texan Jan 2024 #56
If he's disqualified or dies (my choice) after most states' ballots have been printed, what happens then? CrispyQ Jan 2024 #96
She is opposed to abortion and favors a national ban. Nikki will lose. Demsrule86 Jan 2024 #104
Agreed. forgotmylogin Jan 2024 #110
12. Trump wants to end NATO, the greatest alliance in history. mobeau69 Jan 2024 #2
Yes! I thought of that one after I posted this. Becoming isolationist is very dangerous Quixote1818 Jan 2024 #3
His base likes that. It's his version of Hitler pulling Germany out of the League of Nations. Doodley Jan 2024 #106
14. Trump wants to end the ACA and replace with a non-existent "plan". mobeau69 Jan 2024 #4
That's another good one I forgot about. nt Quixote1818 Jan 2024 #5
Again, his moronic base want that. They hate "socialist" safety net programs, even if it helps them too. Doodley Jan 2024 #107
tRUMP is one big mac short of a heart attack.... TigressDem Jan 2024 #6
Getting out of his cart, and taking a swing is exercise? About the lightning niyad Jan 2024 #59
Remember the scene in "Caddyshack" Dulcinea Jan 2024 #99
Consider the alternative! usonian Jan 2024 #7
I am not so confident, the republicans that I know will never vote for Biden. CentralMass Jan 2024 #8
Most of my friends growing up are Romney / McCain type Republicans and they hate Trump. nt Quixote1818 Jan 2024 #10
Most of my father's side of the family have been Republicans their entire lives Lanius Jan 2024 #24
Tough measuring stick to go by TheKentuckian Jan 2024 #13
My formerly conservative father in law -- byronius Jan 2024 #17
I know people who have flipped on both sides. D23MIURG23 Jan 2024 #58
Election judges in some red areas reported that as they fed the ballots into the tabulator CrispyQ Jan 2024 #102
rec bigtree Jan 2024 #9
Tack on 91 felonies and likely more that await this jackass of a human acting like in mafia and the laughable excuses? Brainfodder Jan 2024 #11
The TITANIC cheating that will take place is a concern durablend Jan 2024 #12
Yes. This is really the big worry Scrivener7 Jan 2024 #15
on the bright side-- they don't run the govt now. 2020 was much trickier because of that. LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #31
One big thing: Biden is listening to women advisors and trusting what they have to say. CTyankee Jan 2024 #57
yes, thank god! LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #109
My concern has never been about Trump's support but Biden's. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #14
How on god's green earth can 46% of all voters PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2024 #34
He did win 47% in 2020. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #36
gotv et tu Jan 2024 #16
His Biggest Under-Reported Supporter.... Sane1 Jan 2024 #18
Re: Trump's dementia ... the media is taking notice. ificandream Jan 2024 #19
Also: Mad_Machine76 Jan 2024 #20
Agree. sop Jan 2024 #21
AMEN!!!!!!! oldsoftie Jan 2024 #26
The abortion issue should turn us out LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #30
I totally agree with your analysis and I'm certain that Trumps age related intellectual decline... NNadir Jan 2024 #22
16% of voters might not vote womanofthehills Jan 2024 #73
MONEY for Trump is gonna be a BIG deal oldsoftie Jan 2024 #25
They can't win without stealing it. nt Baltimike Jan 2024 #27
Iowa and New Hampshire showed Trump is incredibly weak outside his base MistakenLamb Jan 2024 #28
100%... same and I'm hoping for a blowout. LymphocyteLover Jan 2024 #29
Thank you. Yesterday was a hard day ... Joinfortmill Jan 2024 #32
Good list. I think you're right. SarahD Jan 2024 #33
13. Which is an unlucky number I did not see... GreenWave Jan 2024 #35
Trump 2024 is not Trump 2016...he's a "known"... agingdem Jan 2024 #37
Most by themselves wouldn't be much. But all together they will make Trump whine. LiberalFighter Jan 2024 #38
I love lists! DC77 Jan 2024 #39
I agree with all of those! What a list! And I hope it leads to such a rout that it won't be close enough for wiggs Jan 2024 #40
Imagine a debate. Qutzupalotl Jan 2024 #41
K and R! Very well thought out post! senseandsensibility Jan 2024 #42
Biden just took the lead in the betting markets for the first time in months Tribetime Jan 2024 #43
I noticed that too. Nt Quixote1818 Jan 2024 #46
How significant is this? senseandsensibility Jan 2024 #47
Betting ods are often more accurate than polling. Nt Quixote1818 Jan 2024 #48
Then Biden is in trouble because most the betting markets have Trump winning. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #54
Most of those are primarily sports betting sites, Predictit is for politics only. Also, You have to look at which party Quixote1818 Jan 2024 #61
What I'm hearing is a lot of ignoring of data. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #62
The polls this far out are meaningless even if they are accurate. Quixote1818 Jan 2024 #63
They're not meaningless. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #65
Good points but you are failing to look at the exit polling data in states that are currently voting Quixote1818 Jan 2024 #67
I've said before that my concern is not Donald Trump. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #68
Yes, 3rd party is a big concern. nt Quixote1818 Jan 2024 #76
My fear is Democrats like you who keep reminding us about all the "concerns" they have about Biden. honest.abe Jan 2024 #78
Well that's a pretty superficial fear to have. Lucky you. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #80
I partly blame people like you for Hillary losing in 2016. honest.abe Jan 2024 #83
Good. I fully blame people like you for Hillary's loss. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #88
Non-sense. honest.abe Jan 2024 #91
Post removed Post removed Jan 2024 #92
Childish response. honest.abe Jan 2024 #93
A response worthy of the person I was responding to. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #95
Get lost dude. You have no place here. honest.abe Jan 2024 #98
I'm fine. Thanks, tho. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #100
I agree with you! We should all be terrified. It is not in the bag for Biden. We need every single vote Pisces Jan 2024 #105
Thank you. I am terrified. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #108
Not what I'm seeing. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #53
Try predictit Tribetime Jan 2024 #55
That's one. Not multiple like the post implied by saying betting markets. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #60
Wow been here a few months with an attitude Tribetime Jan 2024 #69
Indeed. I noticed that too. honest.abe Jan 2024 #70
Almost a year out, polls are more for gathering money and ratings than for accuracy. lees1975 Jan 2024 #64
This is incorrect. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #66
"I do not feel confident at all in Biden's chances." Your words... that's garbage. honest.abe Jan 2024 #74
A couple things: MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #81
I knew the "bury head in sand" was coming. honest.abe Jan 2024 #82
How does ignoring all the warning signs help Joe Biden win? MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #87
I sure the Biden campaign is well aware of the "warning signs". honest.abe Jan 2024 #90
And I feel confident I've already donated way more to Biden than you. MyNameIsJonas Jan 2024 #94
"cheerleader for the ignorant." That's an insult dude. honest.abe Jan 2024 #97
Post removed Post removed Jan 2024 #101
Aside from dementia, don't forget the very serious and dangerous probability that he wiggs Jan 2024 #45
Reading this, and the coverage of the NH Primary got me thinking... GopherGal Jan 2024 #49
They say Trump is a turnout machine. For and against him. Quixote1818 Jan 2024 #50
And that's the saving grace... WarGamer Jan 2024 #79
Thanks! I needed this! kimbutgar Jan 2024 #51
They really need to hammer him with the dementia attacks. D23MIURG23 Jan 2024 #52
There's that, AND... TSExile Jan 2024 #103
Yes, me too. I think Trump has peaked and its all downhill from here. honest.abe Jan 2024 #71
GOTV like your life depends on it. Oneironaut Jan 2024 #72
Correction on the war chest... WarGamer Jan 2024 #75
Thanks! I got that from this video and I started questioning it last night. Quixote1818 Jan 2024 #86
I like presidents who weren't indicted and don't smell like doody! nt Shermann Jan 2024 #77
keep in mind, he LOST last time JuJuChen Jan 2024 #84
Same, you can finally feel the perspective shifting budkin Jan 2024 #85
There is Trump fatigue across the land. CrispyQ Jan 2024 #89
Adding Trump just found guilty and must put up 83M in E. Jean Carroll trial! honest.abe Jan 2024 #111
Wish we could do more about disruptors. shrike3 Jan 2024 #112
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