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DemocraticPatriot

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23. Yeah, you said that already....
Mon Feb 12, 2024, 02:07 AM
Feb 2024

On one of Israel's holy days, I presume you mean....

North Vietnam did much the same when they opened the Tet offensive. So did Japan, when they attacked Pearl Harbor.
It is an effective military strategy. The 'morality' of it is an entirely different question.
Hamas deserve to be destroyed--- but whether they attacked Israel on a 'holy day' to Israel doesn't have a damned thing to do with it.

Have the Palestinians had any 'holy days' in the four months since?
I don't know, I will rely upon your expertise....
If there were any, then Israel has certainly attacked them on any such day since....
but I don't really care about 'holy days', since I am not devout in any religion.

Whenever HAMAS opened their attack, holy day or not, has NO bearing on the morality of the degree of the Israeli response,
which as President Biden has stated, has been "over the top"....

I have sympathized with Israeli in their 'self-defense'---
but once again, they have "gone too far"....

However horrendous and despicable that the Hamas 10-7-23 attacks on Israel were in detail,
they pale against the sheer number of deaths that Israel has caused in Gaza.


Many Israelis were victims of the German holocaust against the European Jews, YES---
but that does not justify them in committing another holocaust against some other civilian population

(whether terrorists are attempting to hide amongst that population or not---
that does not ease the deaths of Gaza women and children, and innocent men for that matter---
who have been obliterated with 2,000 pound bombs dropped on them by Israel,
and perhaps supplied to them by my country, the United States,
to my everlasting shame....)

Israel has had an operational choice in waging this war against Hamas in Gaza---
and they have opted to prevent deaths among their ownground forces,
by bombing the fuck out of the Gaza strip by air---
when a different choice would have prevented many civilian casualties in Gaza.

I say that the firebombing of Tokyo and other Japanese cities by the United States in World War II, was a WAR CRIME---
and likewise the firebombing of Dresden and other German cities by the United States in WW II was a WAR CRIME---

(and even General Curtis LeMay of the US Army Air Force who ordered many of these attacks, remarked to one of his fellow officers, 'we better win this war, or we will likely be charged with war crimes for these attacks' ),
and he was right.

I suppose General LeMay did not stop to consider whether any of these bombing attack fell upon the 'holy days' within the target countries--
and that really has no fucking thing to do with the morality of the matter.

I condemn the Hamas attacks against Israel, before and after October 7th 2023,
and I CONDEMN the Israeli "over the top" over-reaction to those attacks,
and likewise condemn the attacks by my own country against civilian populations during World War II, and any other wars---

likely they shortened the war, but that did not make them morally right...

and I am sick and tired of pro-Israeli advocates who seek to justify what Israel is doing in Gaza, by what the United States did in World War II or other wars.... We were WRONG, we went "OVER THE TOP"--- and I presume that mankind--- especially those who presume to adhere to some sort of 'religious morality'--- have advanced themselves beyond what happened to this world in the 20th century.


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Warmonger Netanyahu won't stop no matter how many are slaughtered. brush Feb 2024 #1
It was a hostage rescue NoRethugFriends Feb 2024 #7
The Super Bowl? I didn't mention the SB. brush Feb 2024 #17
Post removed Post removed Feb 2024 #28
Post removed Post removed Feb 2024 #46
+1. Netanyanhu is a cowardly and racist RW dictator. radius777 Feb 2024 #29
Most Israelis are brown . They were kicked out of Muslim Majority places JI7 Feb 2024 #31
Jews were driven out of Europe due to the anti-Semitism radius777 Feb 2024 #33
Most Israeli Jews are Brown. THey were kicked out by Muslims . JI7 Feb 2024 #35
Both Jews and Muslims ultimately are victims radius777 Feb 2024 #36
How are Christians to blame for Iraq and YEmen kicking out JEws ? JI7 Feb 2024 #37
It was a reaction to Christian Zionism radius777 Feb 2024 #38
You are making excuses . Bigotry by one group doesn't excuse it by another JI7 Feb 2024 #40
Power dynamics and the context of the situation matter. radius777 Feb 2024 #41
Great, so Muslims were forced to persecute Jews in the 40s and before JI7 Feb 2024 #47
It's called Mountainguy Feb 2024 #64
The persecution of Muslims began with western colonialism and Zionism radius777 Feb 2024 #69
Hamas is supported by Russia and Iran Arazi Feb 2024 #51
Ah yes, those pesky inconvenient facts always getting in the way of a rant. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2024 #52
+1 betsuni Feb 2024 #53
Palestinian civilians are not Hamas or Hezbollah. radius777 Feb 2024 #72
War is waged on the battlefield wherever that may be Arazi Feb 2024 #96
Where is it written that war must be "fair" sarisataka Feb 2024 #55
Yep, MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2024 #57
The Bushes' illegal invasions of Iraq radius777 Feb 2024 #71
LOL. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2024 #92
This exactly Mountainguy Feb 2024 #65
It's not a war, it's ethnic persecution and genocide. radius777 Feb 2024 #68
No. betsuni Feb 2024 #70
Yes it is, genocide is central to the Hamas Covenant sarisataka Feb 2024 #95
You need better news sources. madaboutharry Feb 2024 #2
Even the Guardian is mentioning it was a hostage operation Sympthsical Feb 2024 #4
+1 betsuni Feb 2024 #24
"theocratic lunatics" - clearly Islamophobic language radius777 Feb 2024 #73
No. betsuni Feb 2024 #74
Yes. This 'war' is RW Zionism. The GOP is fully pro-Israel, Johnson even radius777 Feb 2024 #75
Israel is not the United States. betsuni Feb 2024 #76
It's supported fully by the US radius777 Feb 2024 #83
"Supported fully" -- what magical powers does that have? betsuni Feb 2024 #85
Wow Sympthsical Feb 2024 #78
+1 betsuni Feb 2024 #80
The whole 'theocratic lunatics' is an anti-Muslim dogwhistle. radius777 Feb 2024 #81
Who are the "neocons"? The Biden administration? betsuni Feb 2024 #90
Biden implored Netanyahu not to do it, radius777 Feb 2024 #91
Which part of this behavior is rational secularism? Sympthsical Feb 2024 #94
Damn, Skippy! The Magistrate Feb 2024 #99
Stand up and take a bow. madaboutharry Feb 2024 #102
Hamas are terrorists, just like the RW neocon Zionists radius777 Feb 2024 #104
Nope. MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2024 #93
What do you actually know about Hamas sarisataka Feb 2024 #97
Sounds like they found two hostages at least. jimfields33 Feb 2024 #101
well said.. agingdem Feb 2024 #5
NO, the idea behind that allegation was that most Americans DemocraticPatriot Feb 2024 #14
Yes, it was Very Well Said.. Grateful for Cha Feb 2024 #19
Oh Thank Goodness, Mad! TY fior the Real News!! Cha Feb 2024 #6
I guess the Hostages should have waited until the super bowl was over JI7 Feb 2024 #22
Why should Israel care about an American event? question everything Feb 2024 #3
That's right, this post topic is completely idiotic. Makes no sense. SoFlaBro Feb 2024 #18
Hamas attacked Israel on a Jewish holy day. LeftInTX Feb 2024 #8
And Israel has attacked Gaza, just about EVERY DAY DemocraticPatriot Feb 2024 #15
They started the war on a holy day. LeftInTX Feb 2024 #16
Touche'. Cha Feb 2024 #20
And that means.... what ??? DemocraticPatriot Feb 2024 #26
Yeah, you said that already.... DemocraticPatriot Feb 2024 #23
Islam is a fairly straight foward religion. I believe the only holy days are Ramadan, which goes from Mar 10 - Apr 9th LeftInTX Feb 2024 #25
The people of Gaza have been observing a LOT of 'fasting' for some time--- DemocraticPatriot Feb 2024 #27
HAMAS should look into that. sheshe2 Feb 2024 #30
Mahalo, she.. Cha Feb 2024 #34
HAMAS is responsible for it's crimes against humanity--- DemocraticPatriot Feb 2024 #66
Ever heard of 'the Sabbath Day'?? DemocraticPatriot Feb 2024 #67
My family were Armenian and were victims of genocide by the Muslim Turks. The Turks did not take Fridays off! LeftInTX Feb 2024 #87
+1. Yep - brown lives don't matter is the underlying sentiment. radius777 Feb 2024 #79
By your definition, I would be considered a brown Middle Easterner, ancestor of genocide survivor LeftInTX Feb 2024 #84
Netanyahu is a white man. RW whites are very pro-Israel because they see them as whites radius777 Feb 2024 #89
They are still holding hostages from their attack during a holy time and they are still attacking israel JI7 Feb 2024 #21
How dare they do something while I'm eating dinner dalton99a Feb 2024 #9
How dare they do something while I'm getting drunk! LeftInTX Feb 2024 #13
Israel has no choice but to go into Rafah. Ace Rothstein Feb 2024 #10
It's a war Arazi Feb 2024 #11
The timing of the bombing is immaterial. The indifference to killing RockRaven Feb 2024 #12
"... while Americans watch the Super Bowl. This is intentional." What's the conspiracy theory here? betsuni Feb 2024 #32
"Something to do with Western imperialism no doubt." madaboutharry Feb 2024 #39
So stupid they don't know anything about non-Western imperialism. History doesn't exist. betsuni Feb 2024 #44
why the hell should Israel care about an American sport event during a hostage rescue MistakenLamb Feb 2024 #42
Because the stupid conspiracy nuts think everything's about them. betsuni Feb 2024 #43
Not to worry. Beastly Boy Feb 2024 #45
Your entire thread is BS, but now you know but refuse MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2024 #48
I have a media pay-no-mind list, and blind links to dog-knows-what are on it EYESORE 9001 Feb 2024 #54
During The SUPERBOWL???????? sarisataka Feb 2024 #49
Ah yes. The Super Bowl. That traditional time when adversaries lay down their arms Takket Feb 2024 #50
I am not seeing a nexus between the two events DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2024 #56
"ITs GeNoCiDe!111" BannonsLiver Feb 2024 #58
Is the SuperBowl something god like? former9thward Feb 2024 #59
Well god was busy helping KC win the game. republianmushroom Feb 2024 #60
I Don't Think Netanyahu Cares Deep State Witch Feb 2024 #61
Why would anyone care? Hell, why does this writer care TheKentuckian Feb 2024 #62
Adelson has been dead for over 3 years. tritsofme Feb 2024 #63
Ah, okay Deep State Witch Feb 2024 #103
Israel's not allowed to rescue hostages? RandySF Feb 2024 #77
IDF killed approx 100 Palestinians in the process, radius777 Feb 2024 #82
This can all end right now. RandySF Feb 2024 #86
You're wasting your breath. yagotme Feb 2024 #100
Palestinians civilians have no control over Hamas terrorists, radius777 Feb 2024 #105
At least my local media no longer tries to hide it. (Hide their bias, that is.) Aussie105 Feb 2024 #88
What does "the Super Bowl" have to do with the story? brooklynite Feb 2024 #98
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