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In reply to the discussion: Liz Cheney was wrong [View all]

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
4. Nope.
Tue Feb 20, 2024, 09:19 PM
Feb 2024

The party as a whole isn't made up solely of its current representation in Congress or Trump and his sycophants. Voters on the right overwhelmingly support Ukraine over Russia. Per an Economist poll, only 5% of Republicans support Russia over Ukraine, for example.

Link: https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/aa58ig9d3b/econTabReport.pdf

90% of all Republicans, including Trump supporters, believe that Putin is responsible for the war.

The majority of non-Trump Republicans (about 53% of the whole) support continued aid to Ukraine in the war, both financial and military.

40% of Trump Republicans support continued military aid to Ukraine, while 33% support continued financial assistance.

https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/majority-non-trump-republicans-support-continued-aid-ukraine

A good summary of some of the 5%: https://accountability.gop/ukraine-quotes/

If you'd asserted that the GOP caucuses in Congress were all pro-Putin (as opposed to the entire party), the assertion still fails when presented with evidence to the contrary. A couple of examples:

A bill to expand sanctions on Russia and Belarus passed the House with almost unanimous support, including 202 Republicans:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7066/related-bills

A later version became law: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/5512

How does that become law with near unanimous support if the Rs are all pro-Putin? Wouldn't they be under orders to kill the bill?

A bill to sanction Putin's enablers in relation to the invasion of Ukraine was introduced by two Republicans:

https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/house-bill/7163/cosponsors

Additionally, many of the current and former Republicans who oppose Trump's 2024 run are probably unlikely to be pro-Putin, though support of Trump and support of Putin are two very different things, the claims to the contrary notwithstanding.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Republicans_who_oppose_the_Donald_Trump_2024_presidential_campaign

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4 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

Liz Cheney was wrong [View all] gab13by13 Feb 2024 OP
Yep. She's the outlier. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2024 #1
I wonder if she realizes her party no longer exists. Irish_Dem Feb 2024 #3
I just checked. She's still anti-choice. calimary Feb 2024 #10
She literally accuses Mr.Bill Feb 2024 #15
A lot of 'em go to that idiotic extreme - babies aborted after birth. calimary Feb 2024 #17
She sucks WA-03 Democrat Feb 2024 #20
Yes these are people without a party now. Irish_Dem Feb 2024 #23
Shes not even that quakerboy Feb 2024 #16
Yep. The GOP is a crime syndicate run by Trump and Putin. Irish_Dem Feb 2024 #2
"Trump Wants the USA to be More Like Russia" forgotmylogin Feb 2024 #19
Yes it's almost as if Putin's goal is to make the US a Russian colony. Irish_Dem Feb 2024 #24
Nope. TwilightZone Feb 2024 #4
The party is what the party does, what it's voters enable it to do Silent3 Feb 2024 #5
Thanks for not reading my post. TwilightZone Feb 2024 #6
I read your post, I'm just saying end results are what matter Silent3 Feb 2024 #8
I don't see how any of that proves that all Republicans are pro-Putin. TwilightZone Feb 2024 #9
I'll buy this just as soon as the votes back up the sentiment expressed TheKentuckian Feb 2024 #14
I think it's more than 5%, but they have the biggest mouths louis-t Feb 2024 #26
Sure does look like it. republianmushroom Feb 2024 #7
Yeah, I tend to agree with you. Cheney's policy positions are completely odious. PatrickforB Feb 2024 #11
It seems to me... surfered Feb 2024 #12
I think this election year, 2024 swong19104 Feb 2024 #13
You've been pushing this line and its silly. BootinUp Feb 2024 #18
A lot of those repub politicians would really like to step away from the edge. Earth-shine Feb 2024 #21
Moscow Mitch et al. Pretty much! nt TeamProg Feb 2024 #22
The REICH Wing has taken control, but some are fighting back, like Liz and the Lincoln Group. TigressDem Feb 2024 #25
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