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The Magistrate

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48. Conquest Is Conquest, Sir, And I Will Pass Over Your Poor Arithmetic --- We Are Not In The Twenty-Third Century
Sat Feb 24, 2024, 04:51 PM
Feb 2024

All you have done is establish the duration of time through which Muslims lorded it over the various dhimmi populations here, Christian and Jew alike. Most of the Muslim population today are descended from converts in the wake of conquest, it's not like Arab believers displaced the populace, or killed it off. Conversion brought benefits, and was easy, once you got over the fear of Hellfire if you did. The point of recollecting the past is enlightenment of the present, in this case to illustrate the deep roots of Muslim feelings of superiority and entitlement. Religious minorities still suffer bouts of abuse in Muslim-majority countries. You might want to look into the matter of Coptic Christians in Egypt for a nearby, contemporary illustration.


It may be ancient history to you, but this region has a peculiar attachment to the past, otherwise who would give a fig for Jerusalem? One thing which emerges from study of the past is how little people have changed, how persistent are the ways in which we behave and think. Same tune, different key, so to speak. I am not, here, commenting on the means and methods of Israel's government, whether at present, or in the past, or in a future to come. Merely pointing out that existence as a religious minority in a Muslim-majority country is something to be avoided. It's not pleasant. A lot of what is urged on Israel, regarding citizenship and title, amounts to reducing Jews to a minority population there.


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I would read the article to see who they are building those 3,300 new settlement homes for but I know Autumn Feb 2024 #1
More war crimes for Israel who clearly doesn't want to "just live in peace" RAB910 Feb 2024 #2
The US should not be supporting or shielding an ethnic cleansing agenda. David__77 Feb 2024 #3
How is building apartments and houses ethnic cleansing? Mosby Feb 2024 #14
link David__77 Feb 2024 #18
HRW is extremely biased against Israel. Mosby Feb 2024 #20
Uh no, that is not their recommendation. Voltaire2 Feb 2024 #27
You skipped over almost all of their recommendations for Israel Mosby Feb 2024 #29
True, their foremost concern is not "racial integrity". David__77 Feb 2024 #32
So in summary, if all Palestinians under Israeli Voltaire2 Feb 2024 #36
The difference being, the ANC never said they wanted to genocide the white Afrikaners NickB79 Feb 2024 #39
There are always justifications. Voltaire2 Feb 2024 #40
In this case, Hamas has openly called for the genocide of the Jews NickB79 Feb 2024 #42
Most Of This, Sir, Depends On A 'Get Out Of Context Free' Card The Magistrate Feb 2024 #43
The muslim conquest of Roman palestine was 636CE. Voltaire2 Feb 2024 #47
Conquest Is Conquest, Sir, And I Will Pass Over Your Poor Arithmetic --- We Are Not In The Twenty-Third Century The Magistrate Feb 2024 #48
The problem with that example Zeitghost Feb 2024 #56
One Hates To Say It, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2024 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2024 #4
Not that long ago they were called multigraincracker Feb 2024 #5
Settler enid602 Feb 2024 #6
This is why bibi let the attack happen in October. Lunabell Feb 2024 #7
What land is being taken? Zeitghost Feb 2024 #9
Hmm Lunabell Feb 2024 #10
Nothing in the Oslo accords legalizes existing or new settlements. David__77 Feb 2024 #11
Oslo gives control of some parts of the West Bank Zeitghost Feb 2024 #12
All the new housing units are being built in existing settlements. Mosby Feb 2024 #15
You're kidding, right? Gaugamela Feb 2024 #16
Not at all Zeitghost Feb 2024 #17
So they're doubling down on their illegal occupation of land that doesn't belong to them. Gaugamela Feb 2024 #19
The land doesn't belong to anyone. Mosby Feb 2024 #22
"The international community considers Israeli settlements in the West Bank to be illegal under international law." Gaugamela Feb 2024 #23
It is Israeli Land Zeitghost Feb 2024 #57
It is called the "Occupied" West Bank for a reason. It is not Israel's land any more than Poland was Germany's. Chainfire Feb 2024 #52
The West Bank Zeitghost Feb 2024 #55
For context lapucelle Feb 2024 #65
Jordan occupied and then annexed the West Bank as a result of the 1948 war against Israel. lapucelle Feb 2024 #66
Thats nonsense Mosby Feb 2024 #21
Nope. Lunabell Feb 2024 #28
What "reliable sources"? former9thward Feb 2024 #33
Oh, come on! Lunabell Feb 2024 #35
Except no one can give a cite to this "common knowledge". former9thward Feb 2024 #37
Wow. Lunabell Feb 2024 #44
If you're making a claim, citing reliable sources is your homework. Sympthsical Feb 2024 #45
It's The Usual Sort Of Grouse, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2024 #50
Arrogance and hubris are so common a failing as to be rendered boring Sympthsical Feb 2024 #71
I thought you were better than that questionseverything Feb 2024 #54
You're Repeating What I Said: There Were Warnings, They Weren't Taken Seriously The Magistrate Feb 2024 #58
Wasn't what I was responding to Sympthsical Feb 2024 #59
Settlers - Why "settle" for anything when you can just take it? Earth-shine Feb 2024 #8
One cannot be a 'settler' outside of a system of Voltaire2 Feb 2024 #41
Forced "Voluntary Migration" is real. It seems kind of clear now that Israelis, in their support for Netanyahu TeamProg Feb 2024 #13
Salt in the wound. maxsolomon Feb 2024 #24
What could possibly go wrong? H2O Man Feb 2024 #25
Palestinians murder isrealis Mountainguy Feb 2024 #26
Blinken says it is against international law. David__77 Feb 2024 #31
Two things can be bad/wrong at the same time XorXor Feb 2024 #72
Building new settler homes in close proximity to the Jordanian border... pecosbob Feb 2024 #30
Jordan has a long history of killing Palestinian militants. former9thward Feb 2024 #34
Taking Your Hypothetical Seriously For A Moment, Sir The Magistrate Feb 2024 #46
More land grabbing malaise Feb 2024 #49
Who would want to live there if it is a hostile takeover of what little land Palestinians call home? Freethinker65 Feb 2024 #51
There seems to be no solution to conflict in a Theocratic Democracy. walkingman Feb 2024 #53
Look what you made me do. Iggo Feb 2024 #60
That's Bullshit, And I Expect You Know It The Magistrate Feb 2024 #62
Amen JustAnotherGen Feb 2024 #63
Building settlements is a military response? redqueen Feb 2024 #67
PLEASE... we can dissect, analyze, evaluate, investigate, scrutinize, etc. and go back cornball 24 Feb 2024 #61
No one disagrees with that JustAnotherGen Feb 2024 #64
This thread is about what is happening in the West Bank. redqueen Feb 2024 #68
And? Nothing about the West Bank will be settled until Hamas is out of Gaza. lapucelle Feb 2024 #70
Hamas needs to release the hostages and get out of Gaza, lapucelle Feb 2024 #69
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