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74. Hamas started the current conflict.

Mon Feb 26, 2024, 06:31 PM

Feb 2024

There was a ceasefire in place on October 7th, which Hamas violated, as they have done repeatedly in the past.

The argument that they're not responsible for the current conflict is laughable.

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Bernie Sanders on Gaza, genocide and Trump [View all] Donkees Feb 2024 OP

Oh, Bernie. It's a war against Hamas, not "against the Palestinian people." Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #1

Well that's good because the two month old Palestinian baby that just starved to death Uncle Joe Feb 2024 #2

LOL! Hamas is putting civilians in danger and sacrificing innocent people Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #3

Your laughter is telling. n/t Uncle Joe Feb 2024 #4

Really? How so? What does it tell you? Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #5

It tells me that's you're easily humored by tragedy. n/t Uncle Joe Feb 2024 #6

Ah... personal insults. Okay. Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #7

Not an insult, it was my subjective observation of your lol on that subject. n/t Uncle Joe Feb 2024 #9

LOL! Stop it. It was personal attack not a "subjective observation". Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #12

Must not be critical of the righteous Israeli war kwolf68 Feb 2024 #112

Anyone that laughs at babies deaths is a monster questionseverything Feb 2024 #53

Who is "laughing at babies deaths"? Who is the "monster"? Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #56

Not to this reasonable and rational onlooker al bupp Feb 2024 #15

War is not meant to be "proportional" it's mean to defeat the enemy. Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #17

Actually, it is according to the Geneva Conventions al bupp Feb 2024 #20

Hamas is violating the Geneva convention, not Israel. Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #21

How many civilians has Hamas killed? al bupp Feb 2024 #22

"according to Hamas" ... Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #26

It is not an entirely unreasonable estimate of Palestinian civilian deaths... al bupp Feb 2024 #35

Uh-huh. Okay. Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #37

It boggles my mind just how much hatred has built up between both sides of this conflict al bupp Feb 2024 #109

"disproportional civilian deaths" EX500rider Feb 2024 #64

Yes, the fire bombing of Tokyo was also a war crime, in my opinion al bupp Feb 2024 #84

Palestinian civilian deaths are between 29,000 and malaise Feb 2024 #66

No they are not, are you saying 0 hamas have died? EX500rider Feb 2024 #97

That's not what proportionality means in this context NickB79 Feb 2024 #41

68 dead civilians at Pearl Harbor EX500rider Feb 2024 #68

We also got concentration camps in the USA. David__77 Feb 2024 #87

Were all these conflicts (mostly with vastly more civilians deaths) also "genocide" or is Israel special somehow? EX500rider Feb 2024 #62

Proportional in this context means necessary to met the objective not tit for tat TheKentuckian Feb 2024 #115

Well yes, it is, as per International Law that came about because of civilans being savaged during WW II obamanut2012 Feb 2024 #31

LOL to a starved infant! Basic LA Feb 2024 #19

Post removed Post removed Feb 2024 #60

Hi! Welcome to DU! Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #70

Since you like LOLing so much. William769 Feb 2024 #77

Hello! xoxo Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #80

Netanyahu is as much an obstagle to peace an a two-state solution as Hamas is. brush Feb 2024 #95

I've heard this conspiracy theory before. I'm not buying it. Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #98

What, that he's not corrupt/taken bribes? If you don't know that, you're the only one. brush Feb 2024 #99

No, now you're putting words into my mouth. That's not what I said and you know it. Stop. Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #100

My turn...LOL. brush Feb 2024 #102

Not just Netanyahu keeping food out of Palestinian mouths sarisataka Feb 2024 #8

That is tragic, but it's also a micro comparison to macro events. Uncle Joe Feb 2024 #10

Hamas is the macro sarisataka Feb 2024 #13

Hamas is an estimated 30 thousand members in a population of 2.3 million Uncle Joe Feb 2024 #14

You are ignoring two key facts sarisataka Feb 2024 #16

Well here are a couple more Uncle Joe Feb 2024 #18

You won't see any charges against Egypt sarisataka Feb 2024 #23

The United States isn't arming China either. Uncle Joe Feb 2024 #32

Which has zero to do sarisataka Feb 2024 #34

For everything there is a season, Uncle Joe Feb 2024 #38

Well egg on my face sarisataka Feb 2024 #42

Well if MLK was correct, Uncle Joe Feb 2024 #46

During the ongoing fighting, the invading power may not be immediately considered an occupying power * Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #24

Stand by... someone will try to justify it and marginalize it. Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #11

You literally just loled upthread at a two-month old Palestinian INFANT who starved to death obamanut2012 Feb 2024 #33

LOL! No, actually I didn't. Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #36

Yeah, you did obamanut2012 Feb 2024 #39

No. I did no such thing. Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #40

yes you did Celerity Feb 2024 #43

No, I didn't. The only gaslighting is pretending that LOL-ing at an absurd statement is LOL-ing at a dead baby. Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #44

you are not being bullied in the slightest, you are being correctly called out by multiple posters for LOL'ing Celerity Feb 2024 #47

LOL! No, the only "clear evidence" I see is how some folks pretend that I'm laughing at "dead babies" * Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #49

Repetitively 'LOLing' in no way rebuts what you did, and certainly does nothing to show anything remotely 'bullying' Celerity Feb 2024 #52

Yawn. It's clear what the LOL refers to. Efforts to "score points" by deliberately lying about it * Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #59

you can keep on Celerity Feb 2024 #63

LOL! (Guess what I'm laughing at now.) Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #69

It's obvious you weren't loling at a dead baby. Nixie Feb 2024 #111

Yes. The bullying, stalking, intimidation, gish-gallop, "points scoring" & "gaslighting" seems to be a popular pastime * Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #114

+1 betsuni Feb 2024 #119

How about point out that Egypt could have opened the southern border months ago.... brooklynite Feb 2024 #45

That's a good point. Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #48

Openly asking for Egypt to be complicit in the ethnic cleansing of Gaza is not a valid rebuttal. You know damn well Celerity Feb 2024 #50

Egypt has walled off the southern border of Gaza for years. former9thward Feb 2024 #55

and Israel walled off the border with Egypt Celerity Feb 2024 #61

Not sure what your point is. former9thward Feb 2024 #106

So we're back to only criticizing Israel. brooklynite Feb 2024 #105

No. All I did was point out a fact. Celerity Feb 2024 #113

It is "the cause" not the lives. TheKentuckian Feb 2024 #116

Why would Egypt bail out Israel and take responsibility to feed, house and eventually find work, permanent... brush Feb 2024 #91

Add the 30,000 dead malaise Feb 2024 #27

+1... myohmy2 Feb 2024 #58

No it isn't and it really never was. The war that started 107 years ago never ended. ColinC Feb 2024 #71

Gotcha! Hamas was just a convenient "excuse" and Israel "let-it-happen-on-purpose" as a pretense for all-out war. Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #72

I don't know what that means ColinC Feb 2024 #75

So, the rape, sexual mutilation, and murders were justified? Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #78

Is that what you believe? ColinC Feb 2024 #85

Oh, please. We have officially reached an impasse. I'm not playing this game. Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #89

I honestly just don't know what you are talking about. ColinC Feb 2024 #90

Okay. Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #92

👍 ColinC Feb 2024 #104

Hamas started the current conflict. TwilightZone Feb 2024 #74

If there was a ceasefire as you say, Israel did not honor it. ColinC Feb 2024 #79

Dollars to donuts, every one was precipitated by Hamas rocket attacks NickB79 Feb 2024 #82

Hence there was no actual ceasefire and the conflict was never actually ceased since 1917 ColinC Feb 2024 #83

And every action you listed only occurred AFTER Hamas fired rockets NickB79 Feb 2024 #86

...because there was never an actual sustainable ceasefire ColinC Feb 2024 #88

Of course, people being deprived of sovereignty and citizenship goes back way before that. David__77 Feb 2024 #96

Of course ColinC Feb 2024 #103

Of course they did.. Who would excuse HAMAS Cha Feb 2024 #94

If there was ever a mutually agreeable permanent solution since 1917 I would like to hear about it. ColinC Feb 2024 #101

Yeah, it was HAMAS that Invaded Israel on Oct 7 And Started Cha Feb 2024 #73

Thank you. All the pretzel logic in the world won't help Hamas. But, they keep trying. Oopsie Daisy Feb 2024 #76

Again the war started in 1917 and continues today. ColinC Feb 2024 #81

Time to finish it then. TheKentuckian Feb 2024 #117

Unless there's a viable peace treaty and permanent two state solution (or withdrawal), that will not happen ColinC Feb 2024 #118

K & R malaise Feb 2024 #25

K & R Celerity Feb 2024 #28

K&R Goddessartist Feb 2024 #29

K&R.. good discussion.. mountain grammy Feb 2024 #30

This was excellent malaise Feb 2024 #51

Bernie has such wisdom when he hired Nina Turner, Cornell West, David Sirota, JohnSJ Feb 2024 #54

The way Bernie separates campaign skills from governance skills must be repeated malaise Feb 2024 #57

Yes. elleng Feb 2024 #65

The Supreme Court JohnSJ Feb 2024 #67

Uh huh... That didn't work out so well, either. What are those Cha Feb 2024 #93

And, Here It Is.. BJG Cha Feb 2024 #110

I see that StarffieBox is back. n/t demmiblue Feb 2024 #107

I agree 100% with what Bernie says in the video. red dog 1 Feb 2024 #108