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markpkessinger

(8,927 posts)
Fri Mar 8, 2024, 10:28 AM Mar 2024

Last night, my 20-year-old grandniece reached out to me to ask what I thought of RFK, Jr. . . . [View all]

Here was my response:

The problem with RFK, Jr. is the same problem with all third-party or independent presidential candidates. The fact is that structurally, a third party candidate can only function as a spoiler, detracting votes from one of the two major candidates. No doubt there are some things that RFK, Jr. says that are attractive. But there is a long history of third party candidates that shows they invariably hurt one of the major candidates at the expense of the other. Jill Stein, in 2016, hurt Hillary and helped Trump to win. Ralph Nader in 2004 helped Bush and hurt John Kerry. Back in the 1990s, the independent candidacy of Ross Perot hurt Bob Dole and helped Clinton. So it isn't one-sided -- at various points in history, these candidates have helped Democrats as well as Republicans. And in many cases, at least some of what they stand for has been attractive. But you have to consider the reality of their chances, and of which side they will ultimately help.

And one more thing to think about is this: even if a third-party/independent candidate could somehow get elected, that candidate would take office with no natural group of supporters in Congress, so he or she would be able to accomplish next to nothing while in office.

The hard reality of the matter is is that a vote for RFK, Jr. is effectively a vote for Trump.
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Did your grandniece watch the SOTU last night? JohnSJ Mar 2024 #1
Plus how many people in the USA and other countries are DEAD because of his anti vax propaganda?? mucifer Mar 2024 #2
Perfect response. FalloutShelter Mar 2024 #3
Except, they didn't answer the question... lame54 Mar 2024 #47
Explain to her that any third party that is going to make a difference LiberalFighter Mar 2024 #4
I have been saying that for years. These third party candidates always try to run for president without any state or Ray Bruns Mar 2024 #30
Well said! I hope you got through to her. niyad Mar 2024 #5
Thanks! I think I got through to her . . . markpkessinger Mar 2024 #9
Why post this today? You should have told her Kennedy is besties with Bannon and funded Demsrule86 Mar 2024 #6
What is wrong with posting that today? niyad Mar 2024 #12
Right after the speech last night. It is a downer...and that seems to be a pattern of late. Demsrule86 Mar 2024 #19
You see it as a downer. Others see it as a reaching out moment that may niyad Mar 2024 #20
I thought it was perfect. Home run in fact. jimfields33 Mar 2024 #29
Oh man, I totally forgot AkFemDem Mar 2024 #34
I don't understand voting for someone because he "says a lot of good things" Walleye Mar 2024 #7
He also bragged about palling around with Weinstein, Ailes, Cosby, and OJ Simpson. TwilightZone Mar 2024 #8
I would say that who RFK Jr. is as a person is a much bigger issue than the fact he's running third party. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 2024 #10
Also, RFK Jr is fucking insane. NT Happy Hoosier Mar 2024 #11
"No doubt there are some things that RFK, Jr. says that are attractive." brooklynite Mar 2024 #13
Not much, in reality . . . markpkessinger Mar 2024 #15
I think that was the right way to approach it. I might go back at her at another time about Scrivener7 Mar 2024 #17
Good move, writing for your audience. Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2024 #18
100% this. Unless they're a full blown Grown2Hate Mar 2024 #37
There is something to be said for political acuity AkFemDem Mar 2024 #36
You should have explicitly stated he helps Trump. edisdead Mar 2024 #14
I did -- see the last line of my response . . . markpkessinger Mar 2024 #16
They did. Chellee Mar 2024 #25
I wanted to help clarify a couple of things MagickMuffin Mar 2024 #21
facts checked krkaufman Mar 2024 #41
The US is not set up for an effective "third party" as long as we have the Electoral College. 4lbs Mar 2024 #22
Since the Electoral College isn't going anywhere TexasBushwhacker Mar 2024 #27
I like the idea of ranked voting but it requires people to go and vote twice. flying_wahini Mar 2024 #32
No. Everyone makes a first and second choice when they vote TexasBushwhacker Mar 2024 #35
This Texan doesn't like ranked voting MagickMuffin Mar 2024 #43
It would be for the general election TexasBushwhacker Mar 2024 #45
That makes less sense MagickMuffin Mar 2024 #46
Great response. Saving for questions from those I know. live love laugh Mar 2024 #23
RFK Jr. is also nuts videohead5 Mar 2024 #24
I told mine that he simply doesn't have the required experience for the job. tinrobot Mar 2024 #26
That was incredibly well written and awesome response jimfields33 Mar 2024 #28
rfk jr. is a kino et tu Mar 2024 #31
The problem with any "third party" candidate PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2024 #33
Well said! cate94 Mar 2024 #38
The harsher truth is that the choice is responsible adulthood, yes or no. hay rick Mar 2024 #39
My approach would have been a little different Warpy Mar 2024 #40
I probably just would have told her he's batshit crazy. ECL213 Mar 2024 #42
"But for Ralph Nader and Jill Stein, there would not have been a Republican elected president this century." LetMyPeopleVote Mar 2024 #44
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