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In reply to the discussion: Netanyahu Is Making Israel Radioactive (NYT) [View all]Oopsie Daisy
(6,670 posts)3. War is not meant to be "proportional," it's meant to defeat the enemy.
This post from DUer known as "The Magistrate" may help to clarify some things.
War is not some sporting event, where dead people are points, and at some juncture 'enough' have been accumulated so the war ends. But that does seem to be how many guide their understanding of it.
War is the attempt of one party to a dispute to impose by violence what it cannot secure by purchase or reason. It ends when the party first resorting to violence secures its object against the violent objection of the other, or acknowledges its violence has failed to do so, and ceases to fight.
In war one does not so much strive to kill people in order to end their lives, as one kills people to convince other people they'll be next if they don't give up, or flee, or at the very least keep their heads down a while.
It is true that if one party to a war fields a soldiery who actively courts death, killing a good deal more is required than in the average run: such soldieries are not common to history.
It is also obvious that such a death-desiring soldiery, establishing itself in facilities and fighting positions beside, under, or over the dwellings of non-combatants, is going get a great many persons killed in course of war against them, who will suffer for no better reason than that they were in the way of people fighting the men here to fight till they died.
I suppose you might say that is worth it, if you favor the resolution of the dispute they are contending for, certainly no one opposed to it would agree.
If people do take up for a side which fields soldiery of this sort, and disposes them in that manner, they ought at least to be clear about what the goal actually sought by that side is.
War is the attempt of one party to a dispute to impose by violence what it cannot secure by purchase or reason. It ends when the party first resorting to violence secures its object against the violent objection of the other, or acknowledges its violence has failed to do so, and ceases to fight.
In war one does not so much strive to kill people in order to end their lives, as one kills people to convince other people they'll be next if they don't give up, or flee, or at the very least keep their heads down a while.
It is true that if one party to a war fields a soldiery who actively courts death, killing a good deal more is required than in the average run: such soldieries are not common to history.
It is also obvious that such a death-desiring soldiery, establishing itself in facilities and fighting positions beside, under, or over the dwellings of non-combatants, is going get a great many persons killed in course of war against them, who will suffer for no better reason than that they were in the way of people fighting the men here to fight till they died.
I suppose you might say that is worth it, if you favor the resolution of the dispute they are contending for, certainly no one opposed to it would agree.
If people do take up for a side which fields soldiery of this sort, and disposes them in that manner, they ought at least to be clear about what the goal actually sought by that side is.
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Good article, though I highly doubt the one third of the 30,000 dead Gazans were Hamas "fighters" ...
marble falls
Mar 2024
#1
So war crime is an acceptable strategy to "defeat the enemy" as long as the war criminals win ...
marble falls
Mar 2024
#4
When world opinion is calcilated by the number of posts on social media fueled by the likes of
Beastly Boy
Mar 2024
#6
The longer Netanyahu and his allies are in charge, the closer it is to Israel's doom.
LuvLoogie
Mar 2024
#8
Stop the settlements in the west bank. Make restitution to the Palestinians there.
LuvLoogie
Mar 2024
#12
Our little fucking 17% contribution to their military budget won't matter a fucking tinker's damn
SoFlaBro
Mar 2024
#37
He is a poster child as to what would become of US with Trump trying to skirt any legal accountability
Bev54
Mar 2024
#16
The Porportionality Principle isn't about a response being proportional in damage to an offense.
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 2024
#23
Keeping an accurate accounting of incidental damages in wartime is virtually impossible.
Act_of_Reparation
Mar 2024
#28