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Oopsie Daisy

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3. War is not meant to be "proportional," it's meant to defeat the enemy.
Wed Mar 13, 2024, 09:15 AM
Mar 2024

This post from DUer known as "The Magistrate" may help to clarify some things.

War is not some sporting event, where dead people are points, and at some juncture 'enough' have been accumulated so the war ends. But that does seem to be how many guide their understanding of it.

War is the attempt of one party to a dispute to impose by violence what it cannot secure by purchase or reason. It ends when the party first resorting to violence secures its object against the violent objection of the other, or acknowledges its violence has failed to do so, and ceases to fight.

In war one does not so much strive to kill people in order to end their lives, as one kills people to convince other people they'll be next if they don't give up, or flee, or at the very least keep their heads down a while.

It is true that if one party to a war fields a soldiery who actively courts death, killing a good deal more is required than in the average run: such soldieries are not common to history.

It is also obvious that such a death-desiring soldiery, establishing itself in facilities and fighting positions beside, under, or over the dwellings of non-combatants, is going get a great many persons killed in course of war against them, who will suffer for no better reason than that they were in the way of people fighting the men here to fight till they died.

I suppose you might say that is worth it, if you favor the resolution of the dispute they are contending for, certainly no one opposed to it would agree.

If people do take up for a side which fields soldiery of this sort, and disposes them in that manner, they ought at least to be clear about what the goal actually sought by that side is.

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Good article, though I highly doubt the one third of the 30,000 dead Gazans were Hamas "fighters" ... marble falls Mar 2024 #1
War is not meant to be "proportional," it's meant to defeat the enemy. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2024 #3
So war crime is an acceptable strategy to "defeat the enemy" as long as the war criminals win ... marble falls Mar 2024 #4
Hamas is the one guilty of war crimes. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2024 #5
Can't help but notice both questions were dodged. . . FoxNewsSucks Mar 2024 #13
No need to address false premises. That's a distraction. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2024 #19
Make no mistake about it. Isreal and Hamas are both guilty of war crimes. flashman13 Mar 2024 #22
That old canard doesn't wash with me. Oopsie Daisy Mar 2024 #27
You do know when one side commits war crimes... ECL213 Mar 2024 #17
I don;t believe it has been establish that "War crimes" were committed. Happy Hoosier Mar 2024 #24
When even Friedman is this alarmed Basic LA Mar 2024 #2
When world opinion is calcilated by the number of posts on social media fueled by the likes of Beastly Boy Mar 2024 #6
Israel will not get the U.S. money and weapons it now takes for granted Sky Jewels Mar 2024 #10
When those Gen Zers learn the actual meaning of Beastly Boy Mar 2024 #29
They see the reality, Sky Jewels Mar 2024 #38
When I was young and poorly informed, I was also certain I saw reality. Beastly Boy Mar 2024 #40
I'm pushing 60. Sky Jewels Mar 2024 #41
Sounds like we started reading Pope at about the same time. Beastly Boy Mar 2024 #43
He might mean the world-wide demonstrations. Basic LA Mar 2024 #18
I am sure there are nore than internet trolls involved. Beastly Boy Mar 2024 #32
Maybe people simply know the difference between right and wrong? PufPuf23 Mar 2024 #25
The thought occured to me. Beastly Boy Mar 2024 #33
He had no problem with us invading Iraq and slaughtering Sky Jewels Mar 2024 #9
You're right, he didn't. Basic LA Mar 2024 #15
Imagine a serious infection that triggers a massive immune response... Girard442 Mar 2024 #7
The longer Netanyahu and his allies are in charge, the closer it is to Israel's doom. LuvLoogie Mar 2024 #8
What do you think could happen? Mosby Mar 2024 #11
Stop the settlements in the west bank. Make restitution to the Palestinians there. LuvLoogie Mar 2024 #12
The Palestinians can pay restitution to Israel for TheKentuckian Mar 2024 #30
There is no Palestinian state/empire/reich LuvLoogie Mar 2024 #36
And just what the fuck happens when it is "too late"? SoFlaBro Mar 2024 #31
Israel would continue on its ethnic cleansing LuvLoogie Mar 2024 #34
Our little fucking 17% contribution to their military budget won't matter a fucking tinker's damn SoFlaBro Mar 2024 #37
It might not. LuvLoogie Mar 2024 #42
big clue et tu Mar 2024 #14
He is a poster child as to what would become of US with Trump trying to skirt any legal accountability Bev54 Mar 2024 #16
"This is a stain on the Jewish state." A stain that will not be erased. elocs Mar 2024 #20
What the F is a proportional response? Richard D Mar 2024 #21
The Porportionality Principle isn't about a response being proportional in damage to an offense. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #23
Thank you for the clarification Richard D Mar 2024 #26
Keeping an accurate accounting of incidental damages in wartime is virtually impossible. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2024 #28
Yah, this was obvious to anyone paying attention NYC2ATL Mar 2024 #35
Nuttyahoo must be shown the door. Time for that motherfucker to step aside and let someone rational fucking lead. SoFlaBro Mar 2024 #39
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