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ancianita

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33. Here are Cannon's "Preliminary Proposed Jury Instructions and Verdict Forms on Counts 1-32 Only"
Mon Mar 18, 2024, 11:42 PM
Mar 2024
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/67490069/407/united-states-v-trump/


With respect to the proposed language pertinent to the issue of “unauthorized possession” specifically, the

parties must engage with the following competing scenarios and offer alternative draft text that assumes each

scenario to be a correct formulation of the law to be issued to the jury, while reserving counterarguments.

(a) In a prosecution of a former president for allegedly retaining documents in violation of 18

U.S.C. § 793(e), a jury is permitted to examine a record retained by a former president in

his/her personal possession at the end of his/her presidency and make a factual finding as

to whether the government has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that it is personal or

presidential using the definitions set forth in the Presidential Records Act (PRA).3

(b) A president has sole authority under the PRA to categorize records as personal or

presidential during his/her presidency. Neither a court nor a jury is permitted to make or

review such a categorization decision. Although there is no formal means in the PRA by

which a president is to make that categorization, an outgoing president’s decision to

exclude what he/she considers to be personal records from presidential records transmitted

to the National Archives and Records Administration constitutes a president’s

categorization of those records as personal under the PRA.


The whole thing as much as tells the jury what their only verdict can be -- Dismiss -- which throws out all the other counts and the whole indictment. Luckily, Jack Smith is a few chess moves ahead of this judge.

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She's paid off. Gotta be. oasis Mar 2024 #1
No, just another fkn magat crackpot B.See Mar 2024 #35
It could be both... StarryNite Mar 2024 #42
I thought Trump said he'd appoint her to SCOTUS woodsprite Mar 2024 #52
Some day we'll find out what he's threatening her with. lindysalsagal Mar 2024 #2
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Title doesn't exactly match the news... here's the link WarGamer Mar 2024 #5
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reality... plz read my sig. WarGamer Mar 2024 #10
Accuracy. The article doesn't say what the OP says it says. Ocelot II Mar 2024 #12
Thanks. H2O Man Mar 2024 #15
Interesting OP titles lately... WarGamer Mar 2024 #18
We are seeing H2O Man Mar 2024 #21
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That's the term H2O Man Mar 2024 #40
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This is lifted from the article canetoad Mar 2024 #23
Read the article. You are right. Don't think this is as nefarious as folks will believe. Silent Type Mar 2024 #22
Paywalled alfredo Mar 2024 #36
Freebie link down-thread. intheflow Mar 2024 #55
If true that she will instruct that sakabatou Mar 2024 #6
Did you read the article? canetoad Mar 2024 #24
The WaPo article? I don't have a subscription sakabatou Mar 2024 #45
Here ya go canetoad Mar 2024 #50
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Yes past time. She is doing malevolence. triron Mar 2024 #7
How is she evil? TexasDem69 Mar 2024 #17
As a wonderfully brilliant Debate Instructor in High School BOSSHOG Mar 2024 #9
Not accurate. H2O Man Mar 2024 #11
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Of course and it immediately Cha Mar 2024 #25
As it has been repeatedly. Disaffected Mar 2024 #30
Sounds like great news.... getagrip_already Mar 2024 #16
Removed? That might *look* too political! Can't do that! Silent3 Mar 2024 #19
The Archivist must sign off on any deviations. PurgedVoter Mar 2024 #26
Nothingburger. Loose Cannon can't rewrite the law. NoMoreRepugs Mar 2024 #27
Too bad they don't have pictures of them together at Mara a lago or a record of their telephone calls. kimbutgar Mar 2024 #28
They do, but alfredo Mar 2024 #38
Bradley Moss explained the best way the 11th Circuit will deal with her without a writ of Mandamus. ancianita Mar 2024 #32
Here are Cannon's "Preliminary Proposed Jury Instructions and Verdict Forms on Counts 1-32 Only" ancianita Mar 2024 #33
Since when do juries interpret laws? Diraven Mar 2024 #46
Exactly! But Bradley Moss says Jack Smith will quickly explain that to her, as he always has to, apparently, ancianita Mar 2024 #47
Yup. Joinfortmill Mar 2024 #37
She should be removed immediately. Bluethroughu Mar 2024 #41
There is no confusion. Aussie105 Mar 2024 #48
i had to leave a lifetime of work including patents and copyeights rampartc Mar 2024 #57
The Chaos Club continues. nt TeamProg Mar 2024 #49
SUCH a loser, and they think she thinks tmp will name her to the Sup Ct?! elleng Mar 2024 #53
Title of OP isn't even remotely accurate and should be edited Kaleva Mar 2024 #54
She is providing Trump an out AverageOldGuy Mar 2024 #56
You've got a good point... Think. Again. Mar 2024 #58
As a judge, you can't change the law in jury instructions. no_hypocrisy Mar 2024 #59
Who in the hell is she to judge anything. Egads Emile Mar 2024 #60
Sounds to me like Cannon is giving someone Prairie_Seagull Mar 2024 #61
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