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Xolodno

(7,351 posts)
19. Blame the GOP in California.
Tue Apr 2, 2024, 10:53 PM
Apr 2024

They sued over everything and I mean everything. They did everything in their power to run up the cost of this, even in GOP cities that wanted it. They even sued to route it through Gorman instead of Palmdale (which could connect to the Brightline project later) just so they could delay it, force another costly study that could have been used on the project, etc. They should have put a poison pill in the legislation, if your lawsuit delays and increases the cost of the project, then you have to eat the increase. That would have put a stop to a lot of lawsuits, instead, there was no incentive to not file a lawsuit after lawsuit, even though you know it would lose.

They rallied the people in between Fresno and Bakersfield, same people who put up signs that say "Food grows where water flows", don't believe there is ever a drought and just need more dams, piss and moan they have to allow rivers to flow through to the sea again, use up their entire allotment of water for their farms (as they always believe if they don't, they will get less next year), grow water intensive crops, etc. And used them to fight to stop every inch of development.

Now its stupid to not finish it as it will cost more to dismantle what they have done. The train is needed, you have people commuting from Bakersfield to LA for work now.

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We can't keep slow moving freight trains on the tracks questionseverything Apr 2024 #1
Different tracks, for one. tinrobot Apr 2024 #2
some of us have been saying this all along... WarGamer Apr 2024 #3
Blame the NIMBYs. n/t Yavin4 Apr 2024 #4
sorry that this has become botched stopdiggin Apr 2024 #5
That is why I highlighted both projects ripcord Apr 2024 #6
Totally different territory and way of thinkingl Wonder Why Apr 2024 #45
Love high speed rail. We could take a lesson from other countries. Joinfortmill Apr 2024 #52
How come this works elsewhere? Arthur_Frain Apr 2024 #7
For the last 30+ years Caribbeans Apr 2024 #11
The Chinese HSR system is stunningly good. NT. Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #28
Not from what I've read Kaleva Apr 2024 #42
I'm sure you think that is somehow relevant. Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #43
There are problems Kaleva Apr 2024 #46
Ok. Many complicated human organizations 'have problems', probably all of them. Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #48
China's HSR is a white elephant Kaleva Apr 2024 #44
Unlike the US, China knows how to handle NIMBYs n/t MichMan Apr 2024 #57
We are getting high speed rail ripcord Apr 2024 #12
I question your contention it is successful in. FL Conjuay Apr 2024 #24
it's not HSR. Fastest speed is less than Acela though average may be higher. Wonder Why Apr 2024 #40
Well, I live in the heart of California's Central Valley vanlassie Apr 2024 #21
And yet other countries Retrograde Apr 2024 #8
Other countries don't make it as easy to hold things up in Court. brooklynite Apr 2024 #10
Shorter distance. Less anti-rail, fewer NIMBYies, less wasteful practices Wonder Why Apr 2024 #41
Building through empty desert is easier than building through developed farmland and cities. brooklynite Apr 2024 #9
A lot Johonny Apr 2024 #13
High rollers were never the target ripcord Apr 2024 #14
I'm well aware of the commuter rail link (I'm a retired Transportation Planner) brooklynite Apr 2024 #15
I will be happy taking a large number of cars off the road ripcord Apr 2024 #17
Any info as to when they might link miyazaki Apr 2024 #16
Unfortunately it looks like 10 years or more ripcord Apr 2024 #18
You can take Metrolink from Downtown LA to Rancho Cucamonga. tinrobot Apr 2024 #20
And you can take Metro-North to New Haven to catch the Acela to Boston... brooklynite Apr 2024 #22
Sure, but that connection was built 100+ years ago. tinrobot Apr 2024 #50
One thing you learn in the planning biz... brooklynite Apr 2024 #53
Do you also learn that right of ways are expensive... tinrobot Apr 2024 #54
Absolutely. Which is why I think BUILDING Brightline West will be easier than CalHSR... brooklynite Apr 2024 #55
Blame the GOP in California. Xolodno Apr 2024 #19
It'll cost 10 trillions when finished dalton99a Apr 2024 #23
Money would have better spent on regional projects Auggie Apr 2024 #25
This is the correct answer Zeitghost Apr 2024 #35
I voted against it. Myopic Schwarzenegger was for it. Auggie Apr 2024 #38
In today's chapter of "why can't we have nice things in this country?".... Initech Apr 2024 #26
Wong DBoon Apr 2024 #27
It is classic FUD. I think people are mostly unaware that Voltaire2 Apr 2024 #29
The proof of a boondoggle is the difference between the ballot measure authorozation and facts ripcord Apr 2024 #36
Same is true of any other large public works project DBoon Apr 2024 #39
I was on board when it was originally proposed as a high-speed SF-LA rail. When they started talking Central Valley MenloParque Apr 2024 #30
The line from Bakersfield to Sacramento is going to be a megacity someday... hunter Apr 2024 #31
It was a money pit from the start. As much as I admired Jerry Brown, he pushed demosincebirth Apr 2024 #32
I can get a plane ticket to SF from LA for $50 Jacson6 Apr 2024 #33
High speed rail is powered by electricity, not filthy jet fuel. hunter Apr 2024 #49
It's not about LA-SF. It's about connecting those cities to the rest of the state. tinrobot Apr 2024 #51
perhaps the 2+ hours that are burned on security, stopdiggin Apr 2024 #56
You got that right. republianmushroom Apr 2024 #34
Honolulu is worse, rail-wise mahina Apr 2024 #37
We have same issue here in Maryland. The Purple Line light rail costs have more than doubled from initial estimates. honest.abe Apr 2024 #47
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